Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

[v0n]

James O Brian is a leftwing moron.

No argument from me there, so it's even more amusing that he could rip Nigel to shreds on pure facts and quotes without any of his usual outlandish commie propaganda and Nigel fell in just about every trap set for him.

Can a brit for example go to france get a part time minimum wage cleaning job and get £hundreds + a week in in work benefit top ups housing benefit tax credits child allowance etc etc ? no they cant but he just ignores it because he knows it's a one way street and has no argument.

Yes a UK citizen can move to France and claim benefits so long as they meet the minimum requirements to do so, just as a EU citizen can move to the UK and do the same.

Actually they tend to be much better than UK benefits too.

Child benefit wise it's slightly better than UK as France needs more kids. You basically apply for Allocation Familiale and get about 130 Euro a month for up to two children, then additional 166 Euro for each further child. Then you have early childhood benefit, COLCA if one parent gives up work to look after kids, BMAF (basically back to school benefit for kids of school age) and even moving benefits if you are rehoming your family. Statutory sick pay is something like 28 weeks long. etc etc

So yeah C64, you could pick up part time job, register with the ASSEDIC (benefits office), get your dossier number and if you're not paid enough to support your family you'd receive AFL or if you are by yourself/single you'd be entitled to either ALS or APL type of housing benefit.

The Portuguese family in your example, their child was born in the UK, which makes them a citizen.

Child being born in UK doesn't automatically means citizenship. Under current law, if a child is born in the UK after 1 January 1983 he or she will only acquire British nationality if either his/her mother or father is a British citizen or if both parents are legally settled in the UK. Portugese family however have automatic permanent residence because Portugal is part of EU (in similar way British expats have automatic permanent residence when they retire on sunny coast of Portugal or France).

 

[Mr Jack]

Labour of course would have continued on the course they were on and we'd be worse then Greece by now

Under Labour, our economy was growing, it only flatlined when the coalition took over. The coalition stalled our recovery for three long years.

As for your silly Greece notion, we have never been at any risk of a Greek-like mess and we are not at such a risk now. Greece ended up in a hole for various reasons, but the main reason it faced such a crisis is the lack of an independent bank.

 

[Judgeneo]

Under Labour, our economy was growing, it only flatlined when the coalition took over. The coalition stalled our recovery for three long years.

As for your silly Greece notion, we have never been at any risk of a Greek-like mess and we are not at such a risk now. Greece ended up in a hole for various reasons, but the main reason it faced such a crisis is the lack of an independent bank.

Just what? Labour screwed us over royal and proper, they've even apologised for it.

It was in the final days of labour that our economy went belly up, the coalition has had to deal with that, but it wasn't their fault.

Greece went into such a mess because its growth was built on huge amounts of unsecured debt. When the financial collapse happened, the cost of raising new debt rose, and the whole country was screwed.

The labour government followed exactly the same methodology.
The reason we're not in such a huge mess is because we have greater economic controls due to having a separate currency, and because the extent of our borrowing was much less than Greece - more comparable with Ireland, who you will notice, aren't doing so well anymore.

 

[Nevakonaza]

UKIP.

I don't usually bother voting,But will this time,I feel they have the right ideas.

 

[altus]

No argument from me there, so it's even more amusing that he could rip Nigel to shreds on pure facts and quotes without any of his usual outlandish commie propaganda and Nigel fell in just about every trap set for him.





Actually they tend to be much better than UK benefits too.

Child benefit wise it's slightly better than UK as France needs more kids. You basically apply for Allocation Familiale and get about 130 Euro a month for up to two children, then additional 166 Euro for each further child. Then you have early childhood benefit, COLCA if one parent gives up work to look after kids, BMAF (basically back to school benefit for kids of school age) and even moving benefits if you are rehoming your family. Statutory sick pay is something like 28 weeks long. etc etc

So yeah C64, you could pick up part time job, register with the ASSEDIC (benefits office), get your dossier number and if you're not paid enough to support your family you'd receive AFL or if you are by yourself/single you'd be entitled to either ALS or APL type of housing benefit.

This is why so far the EU has had to spend €2 trillion on bailouts and that bill will get a lot bigger soon.
Its doomed to fail.

 

[spankingtexan]

All the evidence shows that benefit abuse is actually pretty rare, and so any response should be in proportion to the actual problem rather than fighting fictional battles. If you want to get people off benefits what is needed is education and training, more jobs, and better help and support for people with poor mental health or addiction problems.

Voucher based schemes simply cost money (in administration), degrade the value of benefits (since they lack the flexibility required to allow people to make the best choices with their money), create a black market in vouchers (those who want booze will still get it and fraudsters will need to convert vouchers into cash), penalise those who have always played by the rules (i.e. the majority) and further stigmatize those on benefits.

The biggest problem with benefits in this country is that they are too low, and too cruelly administered.

Hallelujah, the voice of wisdom, hats off to you Sir.

 

[Tunney]

All the evidence shows that benefit abuse is actually pretty rare, and so any response should be in proportion to the actual problem rather than fighting fictional battles.

And that's the problem for the mainstream parties - people's beliefs don't match reality.

"Our data poses real challenges for policymakers. How can you develop good policy when public perceptions can be so out of kilter with the evidence?"

Tabloids feed people nonsense, people believe this nonsense and then go out and vote for parties like UKIP that peddle nonsense.

 

[Mr Jack]

It was in the final days of labour that our economy went belly up, the coalition has had to deal with that, but it wasn't their fault.

The thing about a global economic crisis is that it's, you know, global. There were things that Labour could have done to put us in a better position pre-crash but they were the exact opposite of the things the Tories were calling for. They, don't forget, were calling for further de-regulation of the banks mere months before the crunch, Cameron even visited the US to praise sub-prime mortgages.

As for this coalition dealing with it. What a joke. They condemned this country to three years of stagnant growth, killing the good work Labour had done post-crash almost instantly. They promised to deal with the deficit within this parliament. They failed. They promised to keep our AAA rating. They failed. The "austerity" agenda has been a disaster economically as well as socially.

You don't have to believe me, look at the facts:

Notice how from the bottom in '09 the economy is recovering until the election in May 2010 and then bumps along for three long years of barely any growth as soon as the coalition get their mitts on the economy.

 

[Sliver]

Can't deny this is funny. Also true. Vote Labour for a fairer Britain.

 

[badcompany]

Have you spoken to them and asked them about it or are you just assuming?

No speaker the inglish.

 

[badcompany]

Can't deny this is funny. Also true. Vote Labour for a **** up Britain.

Please fully star out all swearing in future or even better don't edit it in. Thank you.

Fixed

 

[badcompany]

The thing about a global economic crisis is that it's, you know, global. There were things that Labour could have done to put us in a better position pre-crash but they were the exact opposite of the things the Tories were calling for. They, don't forget, were calling for further de-regulation of the banks mere months before the crunch, Cameron even visited the US to praise sub-prime mortgages.

As for this coalition dealing with it. What a joke. They condemned this country to three years of stagnant growth, killing the good work Labour had done post-crash almost instantly. They promised to deal with the deficit within this parliament. They failed. They promised to keep our AAA rating. They failed. The "austerity" agenda has been a disaster economically as well as socially.

You don't have to believe me, look at the facts:

Notice how from the bottom in '09 the economy is recovering until the election in May 2010 and then bumps along for three long years of barely any growth as soon as the coalition get their mitts on the economy.

Good god you're deluded.
Do you toss off over milliband at night. The good work labour done post crash?

 

[Sliver]

Fixed

Awww. Did the nasty Labour video offend your right wing sensibilities ? lol

 

[RDM]

Awww. Did the nasty Labour video offend your right wing sensibilities ? lol

I found it crass negative campaigning at its worst. A party political broadcast for the EU elections that didn't once mention the party's polices? The left run out of ideas?

 

[Sliver]

I found it crass negative campaigning at its worst. A party political broadcast for the EU elections that didn't once mention the party's polices? The left run out of ideas?

lmao.

I knew you'd say that. I really pity you.

 

[RDM]

lmao.

I knew you'd say that. I really pity you.

Pity me? For wanting policy based campaigning rather than mud slinging? It is you that needs the pity as you prefer mudslinging to ideas. It's infantile.

 

[Bear]

The thing about a global economic crisis is that it's, you know, global. There were things that Labour could have done to put us in a better position pre-crash but they were the exact opposite of the things the Tories were calling for. They, don't forget, were calling for further de-regulation of the banks mere months before the crunch, Cameron even visited the US to praise sub-prime mortgages.

As for this coalition dealing with it. What a joke. They condemned this country to three years of stagnant growth, killing the good work Labour had done post-crash almost instantly. They promised to deal with the deficit within this parliament. They failed. They promised to keep our AAA rating. They failed. The "austerity" agenda has been a disaster economically as well as socially.

You don't have to believe me, look at the facts:

Notice how from the bottom in '09 the economy is recovering until the election in May 2010 and then bumps along for three long years of barely any growth as soon as the coalition get their mitts on the economy.

You're such a joke, the global crash you talk about happened over a year and that's it ? Or perhaps the effect is still being felt across the world. Europe our biggest trading partner is still in trouble and may be slipping back into recession and you think we would have had a booming economy if Labour was in power?

It wouldn't have made a jot of difference if Labour were in now, Britain would still have struggled because it was a global crisis. IMO it wouldn't have mattered who was in power as we were going to be in for a rough ride no matter what, as our economy is heavily weighted towards the financial sector.

 

[Sliver]

Pity me? For wanting policy based campaigning rather than mud slinging? It is you that needs the pity as you prefer mudslinging to ideas. It's infantile.

lmao. Keep living the dream dude !

 

[gettothechopper]

The labour video is exactly why they are doing so badly - they have nothing to say other than stupid one liners and disagreement - they have no policies or opinions of their own - the sooner David milliband gets his turn the better

 

[Judgeneo]

The thing about a global economic crisis is that it's, you know, global. There were things that Labour could have done to put us in a better position pre-crash but they were the exact opposite of the things the Tories were calling for. They, don't forget, were calling for further de-regulation of the banks mere months before the crunch, Cameron even visited the US to praise sub-prime mortgages.

Labour probably would have de-regulated if there wasn't a crash too, they were hardly shouting out against it.

As for this coalition dealing with it. What a joke. They condemned this country to three years of stagnant growth, killing the good work Labour had done post-crash almost instantly. They promised to deal with the deficit within this parliament. They failed. They promised to keep our AAA rating. They failed. The "austerity" agenda has been a disaster economically as well as socially.

What austerity measures have impacted your daily life? The deficit plan has failed, you are right, though a lot of that is due to the european recovery being non-existant, which no mainstream advisors expected.

Heres a list of other countries who had their credit ratings downgraded at around the same time:
USA
France
Austria
Netherlands
Spain
Italy
Portugal
Malta
Slovenia
Slovakia
Cyprus

The list goes on.
Unless you had heavy dealings with China, or were Germany, you basically got downgraded.

Unlike many of the other countries on that list though, the price of our debt was unaffected, so the loss was purely political as the markets obviously didn't care.

You don't have to believe me, look at the facts:

Notice how from the bottom in '09 the economy is recovering until the election in May 2010 and then bumps along for three long years of barely any growth as soon as the coalition get their mitts on the economy.

What you see on that graph is the chaos of 2008 causing a large drop, and the ongoing sovereign debt problem of our largest trading partner restraining growth. Its just co-incidence that Greeces problems started to spiral out of control in April 2010, the election had nothing to do with it. Hell, the coalitions policies didn't even start come into effect until about 9 months after that date.