Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

Who will you be voting for?


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So what UKIP policies do you think are going to fix this? You've made the assumption that they aren't more right-wing than the Tories. The "ordinary man in the street" voting UKIP is the turkey voting for Christmas - you've been caught up in all the "immigrants are taking your jobs" rhetoric and assumed that means they are going to support people on low incomes.

Don't think you've grasped what I was saying, you're assuming I've made assumptions, re-read and you might get it.
 
Awesome, UKIP it is then, anyone who annoys someone with your political views has to be worth a vote in my book. :D

Do You even know what my political views are? I know what yours are considering you're voting ukip, bigoted would be one word I could use, or perhaps just uneducated
 
Don't think you've grasped what I was saying, you're assuming I've made assumptions, re-read and you might get it.

Well either you've assumed that UKIP will make things better for you, or you know they won't and are voting for them anyway.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not really up for a game of hotter or colder when trying to derive meaning from your posts.
 
Well either you've assumed that UKIP will make things better for you, or you know they won't and are voting for them anyway.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not really up for a game of hotter or colder when trying to derive meaning from your posts.

See post 993, same applies here.
 
Right, so when you don't fancy explaining your posts you decide you don't care what other people think. But you'll continue to post in the thread to tell people you don't care.

Glad we got that one worked out.
 
Right, so when you don't fancy explaining your posts you decide you don't care what other people think. But you'll continue to post in the thread to tell people you don't care.

Glad we got that one worked out.

Well, I think my posts are very clear, the post you appear to be confused about isn't in code that needs deciphering, sorry it is confusing you.

Here is the post again in full.

Here's hoping the Government get a bigger surprise, the 3 party mould has to be broken and while I may not agree with all other party polices it's a breath of fresh air that this Government will eventually have to sit up and take notice.
Cameron and co as well as Labour have caused untold suffering among the more vulnerable people in our society, I am seeing working families struggle from day to day worrying whether they'll be able to eat properly between pay packets while the Tory Government are giving more help to their rich friends, sick and disabled people committing suicide to escape the welfare reform onslaught that leaves them with virtually nothing, people being driven out their life long homes because of the Bedroom tax, a lady I know forced out of her home while a European family get the keys, more people having to rely on food banks, unemployed being forced to work for free or lose their JSA while multinational companies exploit the free labour.

The Tories don't care about ordinary folk who are the first in line for real cuts when times are hard, I say real cuts because cutting a few bob off someone who is wealthy has no effect on them while the ones at the bottom of the ladder feel the full force and often means going without food, so excuse me for feeling a little pleasure when the Tory ******** get a bit of a kicking.
 
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No, I can read. You've posted about the working man getting the shaft, and your response to that is a UKIP vote. That's the bit I'm struggling with.
 
It was a natural fit for your admiration of Nigel Farage and the chip on your shoulder about immigration.

There's no point in giving the two or three main parties a 'wake up call' if that means screwing yourself over. It's like throwing a turd at someone without wearing any gloves, sure, it sends a message, but now there's poo on your hands.
 
Not missing a single thing, you assume what you like and carry on with your meaningless rants. I have absolutely no interest in your assumptions or your thoughts on the subject.

Are you high?

Right, so when you don't fancy explaining your posts you decide you don't care what other people think. But you'll continue to post in the thread to tell people you don't care.

Glad we got that one worked out.

I'm not sure he know what's coming out of his keyboard. It's the only explanation.
 
It was a natural fit for your admiration of Nigel Farage and the chip on your shoulder about immigration.

There's no point in giving the two or three main parties a 'wake up call' if that means screwing yourself over. It's like throwing a turd at someone without wearing any gloves, sure, it sends a message, but now there's poo on your hands.

You're making further assumptions, again I'm sorry if you don't get what I posted, there are absolutely no chips on my shoulder and I made it clear I don't necessarily agree with all other party polices but welcome opposition that makes an arrogant Tory Government sit up and listen.

Are you high?

As a Kite :D
 
Terrible 'interview'

Anyone with half a brain cell should be able to see through that. Constant personal attacks, no discussion of anything of relevance.

Never thought I would defend O'Brien, as I said, I'm not a fan of the guy, but I think it's the first interview with Farage of relevance for a long, long time. It's the first interview not set up for entertaining Nigel's populist one liners but to discuss stuff that happens in his own party.

Farage agreed to this interview because last LBC interview ended with someone asking him to address poll that stated that 40% of the country considers his party racist and he had no time to address that. So he returned on air to talk only about image of his party. Or at least that's what LBC and O'Brien thought. Apparently Nigel thought he would go with "we are not racist because we have few minority members (that's where O'Brien points out he degrades the answer to the infamous "some of my best friends" catchphrase - as in "some of my best friends are black" [therefore you can't say I'm a racist even if you prove that I harbour, encourage and surround myself with racists]) and quicky move on to the usual "look at other parties, they have loonies too, so we allowed to take some loonies too" and then sail through with his usual oneliners - the "schools are full of children that don't speak english", the "faceless bureaucrats from Brussels" or the "EU allows gazillion of people to come to Britain". It backfired badly and it turned out that once you open Nige's flashy door there is just a black hole with very shallow grave behind it. The guy doesn't vet his party leaders and candidates, has no control over campaign, he's done some very questionable deals in his past (that's the part where O'Brien brings up Nigel's lunches with BNP's conspiracy theorist Mark Deavin and quotes from actual founder of UKIP reminiscing how racial matters under Farage used to be discussed in terms involving n-word during last elections)

The bit where Farage says 'have you worked in a private business' and James O'Brien says 'no I'm an ordinary person' is just LOL.

This needed some context, O'Brien runs private business, as a media persona, like all LBC presenters, his articles in newspapers, TV appearances and the very radio air time this interview was part of is actually subcontracted by Global Radio from his own company (with staff). The "ordinary person" moment was the "imagine I'm an ordinary person and explain it to me" he employs from time to time on air.

Then of course the attacks on family members and ridiculous accusations like Farage wearing makeup.

The family members thing was very clearly explained though, right? How can Farage use complaint about people on the train speaking different language as propagandist rhetoric if in his own family English is a second language, and how can he use half truths about kids in London schools being bilingual for his campaign slogans, if his own kids fall into the category he tries to paint as detrimental to Britain's future?

The make up story comes from Independent story about Nigel refusing to go on London Live without make up artist present.

Would he ever do that to another politician?

He did. From my memory in the last 12 months Boris Johnson was hit by the same train and is now boycotting his program because of interview about fire fighters. O'Brien's done several of those type of interviews in the past. My biggest issue with him is that although he researches his interviews to a fault, he's too impatient in his boxing style, which is why he will never succeed on national television. If he paced his pounding better, he would lead to those Ali G moments where politicians just say something completely stupid under fire and can't take it back, but O'Brien outpaces his interviews before his adversaries have a chance to fall for the last trap.

Also, at the start James O'Brien brings up a tweet that he claims to have occured 'overnight', and then 2 minutes later he claims it happened on the 17th February

Overnight as in the guy twitted his "poofter" remark in the middle of the night.

The only thing in that interview is the immigrant standing for UKIP who owned a restaurant where they are employing illegal immigrants. Even that in a way shows up what a joke the immigration policy is. Everyone knows that restaurants are illegal immigrant smuggling hotspots where they will never employ anyone outside of their own, and to have a candidate standing for UKIP participating in that is not on.

Yes, that bit was :eek:, Small Business Spokesman and candidate for Yorkshire and Humberside in the forthcoming European elections for a party that runs purely on anti-immigration policy against legal EU workers, employing illegal workers from asian subcontinent is the kind of hypocrisy you just couldn't make up. The fact Amjad Bashir did not do anything to clean up his business when he started climbing political ladder is complete lack of self preserving common sense as well.
 
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The 24/7 cross media rubbishing of ukip is gona make me vote for them, it's a pathetic revelation of how controlled our press is.

I can't decide whether Hanlon's Razor applies or not. It's a bit like the media attention and naming of mass murderers creates heroes through infamy. The proper moral outcome is to not splash their name and face across media outlets because it gives them exactly what they want, but through sheer incompetence they do it anyway.

Here, I strongly suspect they are deliberately giving this crass acronym 24/7 media coverage to create a stronger brand. Any news is good news, and now you are aware of the brand, frustrated with politics and more likely to vote for them.

However, you say cross media rubbishing. I exclusively digest my news media online because it helps to filter all the rubbish and propaganda. I have neither seen nor been frustrated by any such coverage. The only frustration I have personally experienced is from you muppets discussing it here.

Broadcast radio/television news is the opiote that controls the masses. I'd you are frustrated, it's because the directors intent of the piece you watched was designed to make you frustrated.


Played like fools.
 
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My post was primarily in reaction to the LBC "interview" which brought to mind all the other carp and I realised the proles were being herded away from ukip, I hate it when "they" try to herd me, the constant totality of anti ukip on TV and radio shows how scared the establishment is of being pulled out of Europe, I'm speaking as a greenish lefty which shows the effect of the propaganda.
 
Do You even know what my political views are? I know what yours are considering you're voting ukip, bigoted would be one word I could use, or perhaps just uneducated
Oh I don't know, given your sweeping generalisations, insults and rants at people you don't even vaguely know based on promoting your own political agenda I think we're very clear whose views qualify as bigoted and uneducated here...

You are quite funny though and doing an excellent job persuading people to vote UKIP just for the lols of watching you froth at the mouth. ;)

My post was primarily in reaction to the LBC "interview" which brought to mind all the other carp and I realised the proles were being herded away from ukip, I hate it when "they" try to herd me, the constant totality of anti ukip on TV and radio shows how scared the establishment is of being pulled out of Europe, I'm speaking as a greenish lefty which shows the effect of the propaganda.
Does seem a bit of a concerted campaign at the moment doesn't it. I'd never vote UKIP into any kind of power but there is a lot to be said for using them as a protest vote. The current comfy tri party system of "lets keep each other in a job and nobody rock the boat too much" is starting to annoy enough people they are going to have to revise what they stand for. As an aside on the UKIP thing it is amusing to see anyone raising any concerns around immigration is instantly branded as racist or uneducated as the quick lowest common denominator insult - often without even finding out if the person is black, asian, eastern european, of heaven forfend french! (which granted doesn't preclude you of being racist or uneducated but, well, you know what they were hoping for...)

In the mean time heaven forbid MPs actually go to Westminster to protect and promote the views of the people whom they represent. In fact saying that, it occurs to me the magic word which seems to be missing from politics at the moment. "Represent". Whilst professional politicians should have a duty to moderate the excesses of public opinion over the longer term, perhaps a little more representing what their constituents want rather than taking winning an election as an excuse to do what "they"want.

The problem we've gotten ourselves into is people end up voting for the "least bad" party rather than having members of parliament actually representing the interests of their constituents. :( Ultimately we get the government we deserve. I can't remember who said it first but there is an element of "there's no point in voting, the government will always get in".
 
In the mean time heaven forbid MPs actually go to Westminster to protect and promote the views of the people whom they represent. In fact saying that, it occurs to me the magic word which seems to be missing from politics at the moment. "Represent". Whilst professional politicians should have a duty to moderate the excesses of public opinion over the longer term, perhaps a little more representing what their constituents want rather than taking winning an election as an excuse to do what "they"want.

The problem we've gotten ourselves into is people end up voting for the "least bad" party rather than having members of parliament actually representing the interests of their constituents. :( Ultimately we get the government we deserve. I can't remember who said it first but there is an element of "there's no point in voting, the government will always get in".

100% agreed - the system is rotten, but people use the above argument to defend their support of UKIP, when time and time again their incompetence at actually being a political party is plain to see - the almost non-attendance at votes, their party leader not knowing who's in the party, etc.

For every person who shouts "racist" at a UKIP supporter, there is another person willing to dismiss the legitimate concerns about the party as a symptom of being a media sheep.
 
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