Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

[spankingtexan]

I have a question for SpankingTexan.

I recall you made a rather large thread on the unemployed being forced into unpaid work and you were very vocal regarding how you were totally against this.

As you appear to be voting Ukip, how do you now feel that they are palnning on doing the same thing?

For the 2014 elections (UKIP site) these policies stand unchanged :

• Enrol unemployed welfare claimants onto community schemes or retraining workfare programmes.

That is, unpaid workfare.

Or have you just brushed that aside because you have annoying neighbours who happen to be Asian.

Who said I voted UKIP? I don't think there is any party who intends to change the work for your benefits regime, if there is I'd be grateful for the info.
Do you suggest I don't bother voting because of one issue I don't agree with? I have contacted UKIP in the past with my thoughts on their work for your benefit schemes but that really is another story.

I don't believe all voters are 100% happy with the party polices of their choice, doesn't mean you should not cast your vote, you can always debate with them what you're dissatisfied with and try to change it.

 

[gettothechopper]

I haven't - I do however live in an area with many many first generation Polish immigrants (which actually would be affected by leaving the EU - where as the Asian immigrants you speak of wouldn't) and don't see the issue - out of all the people in my building, the Polish families are the only ones that are polite, friendly and say hello - all my fellow English residents wont even make eye contact let alone stop for a chat or hold a door open for you.

Not to go off topic by actually taking about something to do with this thread though -

Anyway - who ever said that it was ok for anyone to be racist ? regardless of nationality - im certainty not excusing it - I don't see how being racist back helps sort the problem out though

have you tried being reaaaaaallllly nice to these people ? maybe that would work?

 

[RoboCod]

You do realise you've just given your opinion here right? if you're going to accuse people of being racist then you need to show real evidence to back up your claims, you even stated that some people you consider racist will never admit they are, why do you think that is? it's because they probably aren't but you have convinced yourself otherwise.
Personally I find many immigrants do not want to integrate and are even hostile towards the English, I'm not saying all of them are like that but I can only go by my own experiences.

I do know what I'm talking about as I live in a majority immigrant area. Here are some incidents we've had to put up with over the last few years.

New Asian family move in opposite us, we say hello but are ignored which is fine as I think they maybe just want to keep themselves to themselves, Kid then starts playing football on front car park as we live in a cul-de-sac, ball hits our car and we become concerned it may get damaged, we ask politely if they would refrain from playing ball games on the car park but are ignored. Ball games escalate, we further try to reason with them to no avail, next door neighbour also Asian family who successfully managed to be friends with new residents decide to let their kids join in with the ball games, ball continues to hit our car and we again attempt to reason with them but are ignored. Neighbours kids then start to throw broken slabs at our ornaments in the garden and in our pond while the parents stand laughing, we report the incidents to the council, council eventually send out letters prohibiting ball games on front car park.

Things calm down for a while then ball games resume, we go over to kids parents and have a long chat with them telling them why we are concerned our car may be damaged, we think we have breakthrough as they engage in conversation and appear to understand, we even shake hands. Week later ball games continue but less frequent. Another new neighbour moves in other side of us also Asian with two kids, they start playing football, ball hits our car and living room window, neighbours opposite decide to come out and join in the ball games, we ask new neighbour if we could have a chat and explain ball games are not allowed and the council have prohibited ball games on car park, they say ok we didn't know, we say no problem thanks for being understanding, we go back in and kids carry on playing ball games.

We report again to the council, council send down housing lady who goes to chat with neighbours, all neighbours accuse us of bullying, council do not accept we are bullying. Further letters sent out again prohibiting ball games, we now await to see what happens as the summer approaches.
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I have been shouted at when walking down the street "Your in the wrong area" We overhear a conversation about burning our house down, Asian boys walk past shouting for us to move, car gets keyed, dustbins placed behind our car as we have to back out of our drive, clearly intended to cause an obstruction.
My sister gets shouted at "I hate whites" by Asian lad, My mother get fingers stuck up to her, rubbish thrown on our drive and front lawn, full cans of pop thrown at our living room window, we have reported most incidents to the Police and while we are at the moment enjoying a little peace we wait to see if hostilities continue.

Then I get morons accuse me of being racist, have a day off with the pathetic racist excuse IT DOESN'T WASH ANYMORE!

I know these people, I hear the things they say to me. Blaming Pakistanis for their problems is racist, is it not? Blaming black people for a situation is racist, is it not? You seem to be doing just the same. You've been subject to some racist abuse from people of differing ethnicity, so what's your response? Do you want THEM out? They're probably British anyway. You're also tarnishing Asian people with the same brush of your bigoted view.

You also know it is not plausible to provide figures/stats on the number of racists voting UKIP because pretty much all racists either don't see themselves as racist or just wouldn't admit the fact. So I'm going on my own experiences, of those people who I know to be racist, on what they say. I would have thought that source would have been more acceptable than any. Maybe you disagree.

 

[Delvis]

Because he happens to be annoying neighbours, or annoying neighbours that happen to be Asian?

If someone is likely to change their vote based on a neighbour dispute then more fool them. It just proves stupidity.

Ukip are not going to be deporting them are they?

No, but I presume their parties policies (going by media interpretation's of the party) cater towards the help he wants. Which clearly, the Council can't do anything about.

 

[gettothechopper]

Really

the dotted line suggests that its a separate story?

 

[thep02]

Have you ever lived in or near a mainly asian populated area?

I have for a short time and i can tall you one thing i learned very quickly.... they are VERY racist... towards anyone who is not "one of us".

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I live in one and your statement is not true in my experience in fact my neighbours were great often giving me food and sharing in garden tasks and such like, I found the ethics and good nature of the community to be reminiscent of the fake ideal England of yore often spouted by rightwingers.

We have gangs and trouble makers of all races and fights happen regularly but the only racism I see on a regular basis is anti Pakistan from the Indians but this is just verbal bashing and stereotyping.

I went out with a Sikh girl for 8 years openly walking about and had zero trouble of any sort as a result.

 

[v0n]

A company near me was closed down a couple of months ago on a raid for immigration,it was full of polish that were been paid under the minimum wage.

Your pub myths describe conditions that don't exist for over 10 years now. Immigration authorities do not raid factories with Polish workers because it's not immigration matter since Polish migrants are automatic residents. Polish workers do not require work permits, they no longer have any possibility of working illegally (unless they work several shifts under different names, but even then it's violation of maximum working hours, not immigration matter) and they certainly don't have a reason to work for less than national minimum wage, since any job from jobcenter will pay at least that.

I wanted to trace back the stats to make sure they're not being misinterpreted. The problem is I can't because they are quoting a TV documentary :/ and the one simply states Europol with nothing else.
Now, either they are incompetent, or they are trying to hide something.

Classic UKIP work, if you check their EU election manifesto it's full of stuff like this, stuff picked from multiple ONS statistics documents with full break down and conditions conveniently omitted, numbers picked out of thin air and most ridiculous scenarios.

Btw, UK is not part of Schengen agreement, which means UK Border Agency has sole control of all the crossings and borders. If there are members of Romanian organised crime known to Europol crossing UK borders, this is purely internal matter.

Personally I find many immigrants do not want to integrate and are even hostile towards the English, I'm not saying all of them are like that but I can only go by my own experiences.

I do know what I'm talking about as I live in a majority immigrant area.

New Asian family move in opposite us, we say hello but are ignored (story followed)

But since UKIP programme is only about separating from EU and against European immigration, even if they win all elections in the next 10 years, their immigration stance will not address your troubles with Asian community (unless they arrived from Hungary or something).

Do you know something about UKIP manifesto that we don't or.... maybe you even hope that they will start kicking out existing residents??

 

[AtreuS]

I live in one and your statement is not true in my experience in fact my neighbours were great often giving me food and sharing in garden tasks and such like, I found the ethics and good nature of the community to be reminiscent of the fake ideal England of yore often spouted by rightwingers.

We have gangs and trouble makers of all races and fights happen regularly but the only racism I see on a regular basis is anti Pakistan from the Indians but this is just verbal bashing and stereotyping.

I went out with a Sikh girl for 8 years openly walking about and had zero trouble of any sort as a result.

That is my point just because you have a nice area not not mean everyone does so you cannot make blank statements and say ALL areas must be nice because mine is. This is where the problems are coming from, people who see nice integrated areas just assume that all immigrants live like that and then blame the "white racists" for any problems in the area. The world does not work that way sadly.

The UKIP voters will be from the areas with real issues, and the media will then simply dismiss those areas as being the heartlands of the white racists, assuming the immigrant community is nice and pleasant and fully integrated!

I have personally seen a group of pakinstani lads call a group of teenage white girls "white whores... ******g dirty white whores get out of this area!" in the sight of two patrol officers and not even a murmur of a reaction from them. Now if white lads had shouted "dirty **** whores" in the same situation to some asian girls whats the betting the police would be arresting!... this thing happens in real life so thats is why there are tensions.

It is because politicians simply deny this kind of thing happens that fuels the issue and makes people resort to voting for morons, simply because the morons SEEM to be saying something about the issue.

 

[thep02]

That is my point just beacuse you have a nice area not not mean everyone does so you cannot make blank statements and say ALL areas must be nice because mine is. This is where the problems are coming from, people who see nice integrated areas just assume that all immigrants live like that and then blame the "white racists" for any problems in the area. The world does not work that way sadly.

The UKIP voters will be from the areas with real issues, and the media will then simply dismiss those areas as being the heartlands of the white racists, assuming the immigrant community is nice and pleasant and fully integrated!

My area is so not nice we have residential CCTV cameras on all streets we have 2 street gangs at war and most households keep a hockey stick or axe by the door, I'm 47 and I've been forced into 5 fights in the past five years one Indian and four white, all won, none were racially motivated, the main wealth generators in the area are drugs and pimping.

 

[AtreuS]

My area is so not nice we have residential CCTV cameras on all streets we have 2 street gangs at war and most households keep a hockey stick or axe by the door, I'm 47 and I've been forced into 5 fights in the past five years one Indian and four white, all won, none were racially motivated, the main wealth generators in the area are drugs and pimping.

Yes crime is certainly a changer of problems in an area.. when i lived in longsight for a short time there was a big problem with korean lads fighting with the black jamacan lads. That was all over drugs and prostitution.

Each area will have its own dynamics and its own reasons for people to vote UKIP or whatever.

 

[Zethor]

That is my point just because you have a nice area not not mean everyone does so you cannot make blank statements and say ALL areas must be nice because mine is. This is where the problems are coming from, people who see nice integrated areas just assume that all immigrants live like that and then blame the "white racists" for any problems in the area. The world does not work that way sadly.

The UKIP voters will be from the areas with real issues, and the media will then simply dismiss those areas as being the heartlands of the white racists, assuming the immigrant community is nice and pleasant and fully integrated!

I have personally seen a group of pakinstani lads call a group of teenage white girls "white whores... ******g dirty white whores get out of this area!" in the sight of two patrol officers and not even a murmur of a reaction from them. Now if white lads had shouted "dirty **** whores" in the same situation to some asian girls whats the betting the police would be arresting!... this thing happens in real life so thats is why there are tensions.

It is because politicians simply deny this kind of thing happens that fuels the issue and makes people resort to voting for morons, simply because the morons SEEM to be saying something about the issue.

Asian immigrants are rude and racist. Therefore vote UKIP and exit the EU. Derp.

 

[AtreuS]

Asian immigrants are rude and racist. Therefore vote UKIP and exit the EU. Derp.

Sadly yes.... this is how people will think it the areas with issues, mainly because the main parties seem to deny that problems exist. There is a real head in the sand attitude from the big 3 parties over it.

Then you get muppets like Farage who will jump in and capitalise on it.

 

[Tunney]

(The graph is dodgy because it's not comparing like-for-like but still funny)

I certainly wouldn't want to live next door to a UKIP MEP!

 

[Cosimo]

[SIZE="1"](The graph is dodgy because it's not comparing like-for-like but still funny)[/SIZE]

I certainly wouldn't want to live next door to a UKIP MEP![/QUOTE]

:D Just need a graph showing how many UKIP MEPs are fiddling their expenses.

 

[Mr Jack]

They have the advantage of wage arbitrage. A British worker and a Romanian/Polish (or any other country with a minimum wage an order of magnitude below the UK) are NOT competing on a fair playing field. In the menial job category, the only differentiation between any worker is the WAGE. The job will ALWAYS go to whoever will do it for the least.

Except the actual evidence shows that EU immigration has had no measurable impact on employment figures among British-born nationals and a tiny effect on wages (of the order, 2p/hour in low paid jobs). Meanwhile economists widely agree that immigration has significantly boosted UK economic growth, and the fact that EU migrants claim less benefits than UK nationals means they've made a strong positive contribution to the exchequer.

 

[platypus]

Sadly yes.... this is how people will think it the areas with issues, mainly because the main parties seem to deny that problems exist. There is a real head in the sand attitude from the big 3 parties over it.

Then you get muppets like Farage who will jump in and capitalise on it.

Capitalise on Asians being rude to try and force an EU exit?

 

[ubersonic]

Just need a graph showing how many UKIP MEPs are fiddling their expenses.

Here you go, but apparently it's very skewed because the blue represents a member of the house of lords who had apparently died and everyone assumed he was sleeping, as a result he filed no expense claims.

 

[Efour]

(The graph is dodgy because it's not comparing like-for-like but still funny)

I certainly wouldn't want to live next door to a UKIP MEP!

I heard their leader married a foreigner and she speaks foreign.

 

[MikeTheNative]

I'm not going to vote as I don't trust any of the parties to do a good job, I just hope UKIP doesn't get anywhere though.

 

[elmarko]

An interesting study.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/03/05/analysis-ukip-voters/

A little old but I missed it last time, it seems to indicate that UKIP support is majority ex conservative voters, which in PR in the European elections indicates they will do very well.

In the general election under first past the post they will most likely get annihilated - causing the Conservatives to lose a number of swing seats. The rise of UKIP simply doesn't take enough Labour support to cause any significant concern for them in the next general election from what I can see.

But, the demographics of the UKIP voter are a number which Labour would attempt to please (lower income, less educated, above 50, private sector workers) & one which shouldn't be ignored as it has.

As much as I can't stand UKIP they are essentially a reaction to all the main political parties ignoring the needs of this demography - unfortunately this reactionary vote isn't even in their best interests (as UKIP will not put in place any policies which improve their standard of living).