Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

Who will you be voting for?


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Murder rate 1948 0.47/100,000

Murder rate 2010 1.23/100,000

(Wiki)

Bear in mind today's trauma care is very much better than it was in 1948! IE the "Effective" murder rate by 1948 standards is actually very much higher than 1.23! possibly by as much as an order of magnitude more (I wonder if anybody has actually done a study?? It would be most interesting)

Oh, and every schoolboy had a knife (And a fair few school girls too! My Mother had a great sheath knife which she was very good at throwing!) Nobody got stabbed! just do a web search for "Playground knife games" (Many were popular even in the 70's-before the rot set in!)

It was pretty idylic wasn't it! Despite the levels of poverty that modern crime apologists couldn't even conceive of! :/
Two things which should be considered (which I doubt have been).

1. Vastly different methods of detection & ease of reporting.
2. The changing definition of what constitutes murder.

Simply put, comparing historical crime in which detection rates differed significantly from today's standards provides a meaningless statistic.

"Facist" is like "Racist"! It is an "Alice in Wonderland" word that means whatever the person using it wants it to mean and is simply a generic tool used by the left for attempting to intimidate its opposition into silence.

It is actually a very dirty tactic and relies on exploiting the fact that the people it is used against are actually somewhat "Nicer" than the people using it!

(The other one is <Stuff>Phobia. Again by using a pseudo-medical expression the idea is to imply that people who do not share the Lefts world view are in fact suffering from some sort of mental illness. Similar to the old Soviet strategy whereby dissenters would be put in lunatic asylums!)
Utter rubbish.

For two key reasons.

1. A large number of people on here who are criticising UKIP actually vote Conservative (Who are not left wing).

2. The people who are on the political left don't have the same objections to other right wing political parties (IE, the Conseravatives).

These two things somewhat undermine your premise that the only reason UKIP are being attacked is because of some left-wing conspiracy. The reason UKIP are being attacked so viciously is because a notable population of it's voters & councillors keep saying racist, sexist, anti-disabled & homophobic things.

I disagree with a large number of right-wing voters on this forum on numerous issues & have never implied or thought they were racist.

Ironically, the very users on here who do have a history of making stupid, offensive, homophobic or racist comments are out in force declaring support for UKIP.

This leads back to what I said beforehand, while UKIP may not it'self be racist, it appeals to them (which the rest of the population is rightfully sceptical as to why that is).
 
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And they're entitled to vote for who they like, just as I'm entitled to my opinion, the cons have been bending over backwards to help non English while they hammer the Disabled, kick them out of their homes because they can't afford the bedroom tax and hand the keys over to immigrants.

Carry on with your rants by all means but I'm not listening. ;)

That's a good excuse for not answering my question. People do only like to listen when it's something that they want to hear.
 
Sometimes i feel like im repeating myself, oh wait i am.....

You are indeed repeating yourself, what you are not doing is actually answering the question. We know that you think it will damage the UK but you aren't being clear exactly how it will damage the UK.
 
I am in work today.... nice conservative town south of stockport.

I have had a light hearted discussion with over 20 people so far today ( customers ) about who they are voting for and if they are bothering....

Now remember this is a normally conservative town.. we have a conservative MP.

I would say from looks the 20 or so people i have talked to this morning were all fairly middle class... ie no chavs or dregs but people with money and jobs.

Only 1 person said they didnt plan to vote tomorrow...

All the others.. ALL of them said they would vote UKIP! nearly all of them said they are sick of the main parties, they are out of touch and all crooks and scum lol..

So should be interesting election really....
 
How will it erode the UK's power? Whether there is a UKIP MP or Labour MP sitting there, our absolute power remains the same.

You do know UKIP have the worst participation of any EU party, IE they rarely turn up they don't debate and they are just as likely to vote against UK interests as vote for them.



Why will it damage UK EU is a dead horse.

Please explain how is the EU a dead horse.
 
IE they rarely turn up they don't debate and they are just as likely to vote against UK interests as vote for them.

Far to much assuming going on here. You know this how?

I think they should get a chance, if they mess up then what is the differance between what we keep getting anyway? ;) And lets face it, it has got to be better them winning the EU and messing up before the general. Or are people worried they will do well and will then gain supporters for the general?
 
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Far to much assuming going on here. You know this how?

I think they should get a chance, if they mess up then what is the differance between what we keep getting anyway? ;)

I think that is the underlying thought process...We've consistently gone labour/cons/labour/cons that people think another party may do better. If it doesn't work Labour will just go back in next time around :p
 
How will it erode the UK's power? Whether there is a UKIP MP or Labour MP sitting there, our absolute power remains the same.

When the heads of state in the EU sit at the table and negotiate, they use leverage to get what they want. This can consist of financial strength, the size of the economy they manage and, among other things, the number of votes in the EU Parliament. By sending so many UKIP muppets in the Parliament (they are muppets because they either don't show up or cast troll votes), UK loses some leverage and thus its influence in the EU is eroded.
 
I think that is the underlying thought process...We've consistently gone labour/cons/labour/cons that people think another party may do better. If it doesn't work Labour will just go back in next time around :p

Labour aren't getting in anywhere with Ed as their leader, thank god.

Can't let these idiots get back in and continue their mission to ruin the country.
 
Please explain how is the EU a dead horse.

He can't explain because he's just making stuff up and posting it.

Having a rational discussion is one thing but just being contrary for the sake of it does nobody any favours. Seems to be a lot of that going on here.
 
Far to much assuming going on here. You know this how?

again repeating my self


I think they should get a chance, if they mess up then what is the differance between what we keep getting anyway? ;) And lets face it, it has got to be better them winning the EU and messing up before the general. Or are people worried they will do well and will then gain supporters for the general?

The difference is UKIP only want 1 thing out of europe, you cant do that from within the EU.

Because you keep flogging it?

Am I? Other than the odd off topic post i have kept the discussion to UKIP and how a vote for them in the EU is a bad idea.
 
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