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I'm really not interested in getting into any heated debates or ****ging anyone off, my two cents Roff, you gotta be kidding me with that latest video. If you're even slightly considering these skills as dubious and calling hacker just by getting a few kills in a corridor at close range, then you must spend a lot of time in chat calling any player with a positive KD in a match a hacker.

Come on dude, yes we all know there are hacks out there, I've seen some horrific things on youtube, just like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKtxwccdlog this is aimbotting I'm guessing, look at the 180 snap scoping and especially when he gets in the tank half way through the video. So yes, hacks do exist, but seriously that video, GTFO lol.

Now, in our motley crew of typical bf4 players every night on TS, we have witnessed 2 of these definite hackers, but in 300 hours playtime I'd say that was fair enough, I expect all the others are banned by now.
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
I'm really not interested in getting into any heated debates or ****ging anyone off, my two cents Roff, you gotta be kidding me with that latest video. If you're even slightly considering these skills as dubious and calling hacker just by getting a few kills in a corridor at close range, then you must spend a lot of time in chat calling any player with a positive KD in a match a hacker.
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Its nothing to do with the main gameplay as such in that video, the player is pretty average at best, there are however a couple of more subtle give aways tha the player is infact cheating hence why I choose this one rather than the later clips of the same player where its more obvious.

Its why I posted it coz I knew people would be all about how I was basing it on just accuracy or whatever... come on... I've spent hours playing with some of the best players out there over the years (to name drop a bit I used to do a ton of practise duelling with people from dignitas like hell.uk, spent hours playing against fatal1ty, etc. etc.) - I'm not going to be confused by a bit of skill or base any accusation of cheating on that.
 
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Rroff said:
Nothing to do with bragging.
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If you have played against some of the 'best' gamers out there, why are you so remarkably average on BF4? Has it ever occurred to you that you're just average and other people are good thus leading you to think they are hacking?
 
this is the typical behaviour in hackusations wndsr, gash average players not understanding how to play the game and calling out everything they see that's better than themselves as a hacker. Its the old fragile ego syndrome and the I cant do it so you must be cheating mentality.
 
How on earth you can be proud of 30k hours of FPS gaming I have no idea. Kindly shut up, reading your posts has just become embarrassing now and you are literally achieving nothing aside from arguing with yourself.
 
wndsr said:
If you have played against some of the 'best' gamers out there, why are you so remarkably average on BF4? Has it ever occurred to you that you're just average and other people are good thus leading you to think they are hacking?
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Look at my stats I've been running around with the g36c, using the m98b with iron sights, etc. rather than running around with LMGs or LVG spamming or sitting in the MAA whoring stuff, etc.

With netcode as broken as it is I don't really take the game seriously in that regard as its just a wasted effort when it all comes apart due to some randomness of the game.

EDIT: Also playing a lot on 24x7 64 player CQ lockers doesn't exactly do your stats wonders...

Cookeh said:
How on earth you can be proud of 30k hours of FPS gaming I have no idea. Kindly shut up, reading your posts has just become embarrassing now and you are literally achieving nothing aside from arguing with yourself.
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Nothing to do with being proud about it hence why you and wndsr, etc. are posting like you are - I mentioned it as demonstration that I have had a lot of time to watch other players in action over the years and learn to differientate between legit and cheaters in ways that many people won't have developed.
 
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Rroff said:
With netcode as broken as it is I don't really take the game seriously in that regard as its just a wasted effort when it all comes apart due to some randomness of the game.
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THANK YOU!

With netcode as broken as it is, how can you be so sure somebody is hacking?
 
If you aren't proud of it why the devil do you insist upon continually reminding everyone of it! I was AC admin for about 4 years in CS/TF2 - I don't bring that up constantly to counter your, quite frankly, idiotic statements/haccusations. Seriously dude, argument lost, let it go.
 
Cookeh said:
If you aren't proud of it why the devil do you insist upon continually reminding everyone of it! I was AC admin for about 4 years in CS/TF2 - I don't bring that up constantly to counter your, quite frankly, idiotic statements/haccusations. Seriously dude, argument lost, let it go.
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And you didn't develop better abilities during that time to detect legit players from cheaters?
 
Rroff said:
Your only showing your naivety of the subject with that comment.
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You need to stop thinking ur some messiah , ive played on a really high level for 5 years ive won more things then mr fatality can dream off.

I have been playing fps for a very long time aswell and what ur telling us is absulte bullcrap.

I can honestly say 99% of all FPS players are clean.
But the world needs whiney tards like you and the world needs people like me to get you of ur high horse mr human cheat detector, UR FULL OF IT
 
Rroff said:
And you didn't develop better abilities during that time to detect legit players from cheaters?
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I did indeed. It didn't translate to me then chasing people up in every game I play because something mildly fishy occurred. Given the issues with lag, netcode, and huge disconnection with whats on my screen and whats on theirs however, it makes any form of real judgement decidedly more challenging and largely hit and miss (which it can be in some case in CS, a game with near perfect netcode (on 128tick ofc, 64 still blows!)).

This argument/debate is going nowhere, you aren't helping yourself and nor is anyone (myself included) that is getting sucked into it. Please just let it go now, its accomplishing nothing.
 
Ramarri said:
You need to stop thinking ur some messiah , ive played on a really high level for 5 years ive won more things then mr fatality can dream off.

I have been playing fps for a very long time aswell and what ur telling us is absulte bullcrap.

I can honestly say 99% of all FPS players are clean.
But the world needs whiney tards like you and the world needs people like me to get you of ur high horse mr human cheat detector, UR FULL OF IT
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Never claimed to be a messaih that wndsr and 1-2 others putting words in my mouth.

Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding based off 1-2 people misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Never claimed to be a human cheat detector again thats people embellishing my words - I have spent enough however time playing and enough time spectating players i.e. refing matches to have developed a better than average instinct for when someone is or isn't legit - other people who have spent a lot of time checking match replays or watching matches, etc. will also have developed a better understanding of the differences that can be seen between a legit player and a hacker - even little things like the correlation between their aim and the fine tuning a legit player will often use with strafe movement to correct their aim (which is decreasingly less present the higher the settings on an aimbot is).

I'm not spending hours each day hunting out cheaters or accusing people who happen to be half good at the game of cheating based purely on they might have a good KDR or freak aim.

Sometimes I come across people who are full on botting, spectate and upload some footage to submit to EA or whoever depending on game, occasionally I will come across people who trip my instincts (and this isn't just a casual thing or a snap judgement coz someone happens to go on a killing spree or kill me a load of times) and I'll spend awhile spectating them - often they never give themselves away if they are cheating but sometimes you will get someone who does give themselves a way at which point likewise I'll report a player with a bit of footage and leave it upto EA or whoever to decide.

Fact is I have enough experience I'm far more often correct than I am incorrect but again I have made mistakes and fully admit and aware of that hence a lot of the stuff I've said in this thread in the past about caution against things like confirmation bias and why I don't usually make public videos unless its indisputable. The earlier video was a bit of a rash response to JGStonedRaider taking the mick which has since been blown out of proportion.

Cookeh said:
I did indeed. It didn't translate to me then chasing people up in every game I play because something mildly fishy occurred. Given the issues with lag, netcode, and huge disconnection with whats on my screen and whats on theirs however, it makes any form of real judgement decidedly more challenging and largely hit and miss (which it can be in some case in CS, a game with near perfect netcode (on 128tick ofc, 64 still blows!)).

This argument/debate is going nowhere, you aren't helping yourself and nor is anyone (myself included) that is getting sucked into it. Please just let it go now, its accomplishing nothing.
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Thats entirely my point - through similiar I have developed above average ability to detect it - I've never claimed any god like abilities in regards to it (again thats other people putting words in my mouth). I don't go chasing people up in every game because something midly fishy occurred again thats people embellishing what I was saying, I hope you atleast can see where I'm coming from in the context of your own experience - as I mentioned before it can takes hours of watching someone sometimes (which I don't normally do but have done on occasions - mostly for something to do while babysitting) before they might give themselves away if they ever do.
 
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