Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

[anything I don't mind]

UKIP did poorly in London because most of London is foreigners and most foreigners will be labour supporters because foreigners generally want more free stuff from the government. People vote for free stuff.

 

[Gilly]

There is no need to equate anything, hatred is hatred. Full stop. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200.

I hear what you are saying, but think you have it all wrong.

Hating someone because of their creed or colour is always wrong.

Hating someone because they choose to hate someone else because of their creed or colour is commendable.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

They are contingent forms of bigotry. Hating a person because of their skin tone isn't that different from hating a person because of their ethnicity. It's still bigotry.

Or because of their views? It's all bigotry.

 

[Yaayuh!]

There is no need to equate anything, hatred is hatred. Full stop. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200.

Instead of hating racists, you should (in the Hippy narrative I am channelling) try to understand their concerns and try address their concerns or reason with them. If you hate them, you cannot do this. As the Christians say: hate the sin, not the sinner.

On a personal level, I don't care if you hate them. But I don't posit myself as being moral.

Are you saying that we should try and understand and empathise with racists?

 

[Sliver]

Or because of their views? It's all bigotry.

Wrong. You can hate a person for their views but it's not bigotry. I hated Bin Laden for his views, as did most people, but that didn't make us bigots.

Hating a nation or a race is bigotry because everyone gets tarred with the same brush.

 

[Burnsy2023]

UKIP did poorly in London because most of London is foreigners and most foreigners will be labour supporters because foreigners generally want more free stuff from the government. People vote for free stuff.

We've already shown that around 36% of london residents are immigrants not "most". Your assertion that foreigners want free stuff is also hilarious and offensive in equal measure.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

I hear what you are saying, but think you have it all wrong.

Hating someone because of their creed or colour is always wrong.

Hating someone because they choose to hate someone else because of their creed or colour is commendable.

Today maybe, a hundred years ago it wasn't. Tomorrow, who knows? The only constant is that hate is hate. Hate is always bad because it's irrational.

 

[krooton]

UKIP did poorly in London because most of London is foreigners and most foreigners will be labour supporters because foreigners generally want more free stuff from the government. People vote for free stuff.

Actually, only 37% of Londoners are foreigners, but don't let the facts get in the way of your dribble spouting.

 

[EdGey]

We've already shown that around 36% of london residents are immigrants not "most". Your assertion that foreigners want free stuff is also hilarious and offensive in equal measure.

I knew he was talking crap but 36% is an awful lot more than I thought it would be.

 

[Sliver]

Today maybe, a hundred years ago it wasn't. Tomorrow, who knows? The only constant is that hate is hate. Hate is always bad because it's irrational.

So your philosophy is that we should love our enemies and those who do harm to us ?

 

[krooton]

Today maybe, a hundred years ago it wasn't. Tomorrow, who knows? The only constant is that hate is hate. Hate is always bad because it's irrational.

Irrational hate (like racism) is irrational. Hating someone who murdered your parents is not irrational. Hating people who oppress others based on things like race or gender is not irrational.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Are you saying that we should try and understand and empathise with racists?

Well I don't personally care either way, but if I were trying to dress myself on sheep's clothing, that is exactly what I'd be saying. Why are these people racist in the first place, what are their concerns and fears? Which of these are rational and should be addressed?

I think there are many rational reasons to be concerned about immigration.

 

[krooton]

Well I don't personally care either way, but if I were trying to dress myself on sheep's clothing, that is exactly what I'd be saying. Why are these people racist in the first place, what are their concerns and fears? Which of these are rational and should be addressed?

I think there are many rational reasons to be concerned about immigration.

You can be concerned about immigration without being racist. You can't be racist without being racist.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Irrational hate (like racism) is irrational. Hating someone who murdered your parents is not irrational. Hating people who oppress others based on things like race or gender is not irrational.

Is hating people who you perceive as threatening your livelihood, culture and so forth not rational?

 

[Efour]

CLASS WAR stop bickering amongst yourselves and take up arms against your capitalist masters.. THE REAL ENEMY

cough.. sorry i thought i was 15 again.

Great news for labour, excellent gains overall.

UKIP doing strong so far achieving NOTHING overall.

I'm still hoping they get their mitts on a Backward desperate little working class, hell hole so they can show how to fund it properly. Fail like everyone else then blame someone else, like everyone else. !

 

[Burnsy2023]

Is hating people who you perceive as threatening your livelihood, culture and so forth not rational?

Perhaps if it were based on actual evidence.

 

[shadow_boxer]

He should be sending that pale ale back to India!

 

[krooton]

Is hating people who you perceive as threatening your livelihood, culture and so forth not rational?

Hating people who ARE threatening to your blah blah, yes. But just based on your perception? Well there is a saying for that.

 

[Efour]

Massive UKIP swings in Essex My havering still hasn't declared it was conservative i have fears it will go UKIP. or NOC... Thats a kick in the balls. Most services are already stripped out.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Perhaps if it were based on actual evidence.

Well there is evidence which shows that none EU migrants do not make a net contribution to British society. It's the same study which people cited in this thread as evidence for the positive benefit of EU immigration. Does that qualify as 'actual evidence'?