The main parties wont deal with UKIP so they are shut out anyway, I bet labour and tory would do some sort of essential voting deal in a minority government if it shut out Farage, thats exactly what I would do!
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The main parties wont deal with UKIP so they are shut out anyway, I bet labour and tory would do some sort of essential voting deal in a minority government if it shut out Farage, thats exactly what I would do!
did you a favour then
lies they need to stem the tide but it's probably to late for a few generations now.
there's no harm watering down the pool a bit but when so many come over that they literally take over classrooms then it's clearly to many and disruptive for everyone else as it obviously lowers and holds back the education of the kids who can speak fluent english especially when it's one teacher to 33 children
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149 of 161 councils declared
Seats
Labour: 1870
All other: 1966
Councils:
Labour: 78
All other: 74
So thats a majority of councils and 96 seats away from a total majority of seats. They are clearly winning, but not hard enough for your tastes? What is your source that they were supposed to win by a landslide? As it is its not even close!
The exact numbers are largely meaningless. The council seats under contest in this local election are not a random sample of all councils. In this case, more Labour councils were under contest than Conservative but, remember, the Conservatives hold more councils than Labour overall.
I'm not sure whether the nationwide picture has even shifted enough to put Labour ahead overall.
The opinion polls show labour would have a minor lead.
Also interesting to not that greens + LibDem ~= UKIP.
Of course this is hard to translate into seats but quite clearly shows that UKIP will not be doing anything significant at the GE. Even if there is no outright majority between labour and the Tories a collation with the greens + LD , most likely with labour would shut UKIP out. Even if there are no real LD and green seats labour and the Conservatives are much more likely to go into a coalition than either of them wanting to touch UKIP with a barge poll. Even if some Tories wouldn't mind too much, a majority would be mortified and the damage to their PR catastrophic. The Conservatives do well by having a a more moderate right wing economics with social liberal stance not too far removed from Labour. If they swung further right or were seen to support UKIP in anyway then a huge amount of the marginal voters would go straight to labour.
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Not true at all,I voted UKIP and im none of the above.
lol if you lived in my borough you would vote UKIP trust me.... although you wouldn't because they had no candidate here.
I can hear the voice!!!
Yes we were and some other areas, I don't want to go into specifics - thankfully he got his keys back from a shopkeeper (that voted UKIP apperently). I have have always been really neutral about immigration and I feel guilty for feeling the way I do about what I experienced - I hear so many people complaining about how they feel that 'not enough is being done' and 'its too late, they are already here', it just a crazy mashup of situations that seem to be helping a looney right wing party into running the country. There just seems to be a general lack of understanding and people want to blame someone or something rather than understanding that we are in a recession/depression and that no one really gave a toss until the money stopped rolling - then the hate mongers started up and it feels like germany ~circa 1939.
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lol so AM I really that wrong?
I think the point is, we know that person is a UKIP voter.
In reality, you have no idea who that person votes for - he could be another UKIP supporter. (not that I think finding one terrible UKIP voter means anything, it doesn't) - but if you are going to attempt to do the reverse you could at least go to the effort of finding an actual Labour supporter.
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He's clearly not a labour supporter as he still owns his gold
Not sure if Tory supporter or conservative
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Just tried "Vote Match"
Given my first answer, (I wish to leave the EU) many of the subsequent questions make no sense! (I gave up after about half a dozen) What is the site trying to prove??
It's simplistic and unhelpful to imagine that UKIP voters are uniformly racists or bigots. UKIP has done a fine line in appealing to racist tendencies among the populace - that much is beyond doubt - but that doesn't mean that the only people voting for them are doing so on racist grounds. Hell, right here in this thread we had a poster who said he was voting UKIP because he was a Tory voter who didn't like the bedroom tax and wanted to protest (no, I don't understand that one either) and there are many more from both sides of the spectrum who are voting along A Plague On Both Their Houses lines in the traditional protest fashion. Others are voting UKIP as a single issue vote against Europe (and there are decent arguments against the EU that aren't based on racism) and are happy to accept the rest of UKIP simply to make that point.
Much of that will evaporate come general election day whilst another hearty chunk of their support will disappear when people think through the realities of FPTP elections and decide to return to one of the big two for fear of what will happen if the Other Party gets in. Still, I think it's highly unlikely that UKIP won't land at least one seat in the next election; for them the hard work begins here. They need to prove they can work in local government and prove they can deliver as MPs. Their terrible record as MEPs has been largely ignored due to the wide disengagement with European politics; similar behaviour on councils and in Westminster will not be so kindly received. 2015 won't be UKIPs year but 2019/20 might just be.
Much of that will evaporate come general election day whilst another hearty chunk of their support will disappear when people think through the realities of FPTP elections and decide to return to one of the big two for fear of what will happen if the Other Party gets in. Still, I think it's highly unlikely that UKIP won't land at least one seat in the next election; for them the hard work begins here. They need to prove they can work in local government and prove they can deliver as MPs. Their terrible record as MEPs has been largely ignored due to the wide disengagement with European politics; similar behaviour on councils and in Westminster will not be so kindly received. 2015 won't be UKIPs year but 2019/20 might just be.
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Fully agreed.
The "If you disagree with open borders you must be racist" argument is so lame I can't believe intelligent people make it. As I've said quite a few times, if you genuinely believe that imposing sensible border controls for people from the same continent as you is racist then then majority of countries on Earth must then be too.
The fact the BNP (a party who unashamedly do make policies based on skin colour) hate UKIP and made Farage's quote about not wanting zero immigration the first thing on their election broadcast they disagreed with should show anyone that.
My problem with UKIP is the rest of their policies, which is why I wouldn't want them in Government but at the same time painting anyone that has concerns about unlimited immigration from Europe as being racists, xenophobes and jingoists just doesn't hold water.
In the same way a former alcoholic goes teetotal instead of just drinking in moderation to solve their problem, many former racist societies (e.g. us) have decided that instead of considering racism as a belief that people of different skin tones are lesser humans and needing to be separated from the 'superior white race', it now means "saying anything negative about any culture not from the UK".
We've gone way too far with what we consider 'racism' nowadays.
The irony is, presuming UKIP's immigration policy is what they claim it to be, we'd have far more non-white, non-Christian immigration under UKIP relative to now.
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