Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

Who will you be voting for?


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Do you think clegg regrets challenging farage on TV now. Lol


If we get referendum we will leave EU I'm now sure of it.

Cameron's 2017 referendum promise is a sweetener (only if you vote con ) and this only if he stays in no 10 .as we all know the cons and libs track records of keeping promises it will never happen. and then we got wallace ed who's not interested in an referendum. and then we got farage who will deliver it.
VOTE UKIP;);););)
 
The tory and labour MPs are coming out with the same hog wash they've been saying for years.

Need an even bigger shake up at the general election.

Spot on. They're wheeling out the same "Lessons will be learned/You'll get a Referendum/We'll listen to what the public have to say" platitudes they've used for the last decade.

Apart from the LibDems, who are crying into their soya lattes.

The ones who aren't inside for sex offences anyway...
 
Err, perhaps the definition of what Third World means in any specific context should be given...Eastern bloc countries were not Third World simply because they were aligned with Soviet Russia, pretty much any country not aligned with either NATO or the USSR was determined as Third World...including some very rich ones.

And that's why describing countries as first/third world is outdated. The terms don't mean anything in today's context.
 
It's not normal in the UK to have such low levels of turnout, what was it? 33%..virtually half the turnout of the General Election. All this means is that most people don't care enough about Europe one way or another to vote. It doesn't mean UKIP will suddenly become the major force in British politics or that their success in European Elections will translate into success in a General Election.

You seriously don't think that's an erroneous comment to make? :confused:

Irrespective of how many people voted, the percentage of votes for UKIP can most likely be extrapolated up. You can't claim it's only people who like UKIP that voted. These excuses are embarrassing. :o
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27571451

Nice to see the anti fascist demonstrators acting like the very people they hate yet AGAIN.... :rolleyes:

Cant they see how stupid and infantile they are? and why are they not arrested by the police for hate crimes?

Glad to see that tool griffin trying to put a brave face on his rightly deserved utter defeat :p
 
It's overlooked because it's not true - Democracy prevents war.

I think you're oversimplifying there, democratic nations may be less likely to go to war (that point might be arguable given recent history but let's proceed with the premise) but to say they don't go to war because of democracy is a stretch. There are likely to be many reasons but democratic nations tend to be more stable because they've got an electorate who has some sort of say in the process, they've normally reached a certain baseline of wealth/standard of living, by their nature they aren't as reliant on the cult of personality that a dictatorship would be and ergo no power vacuum or at least not to the same extent but perhaps the most important point and the one being alluded to is that they generally seek to talk through issues which is where the EU comes in. A political union such as this is in some senses an extension to the old treaties that nations would sign but now it's across an entire continent (more or less) - it means you have a recourse if negotiations between the two (or more) states who are having issues together don't reach an amicable conclusion.

Democracy may have a role in preventing war but it's not the only thing, perhaps not even the most important thing as it's not a panacea by itself.

You seriously don't think that's an erroneous comment to make? :confused:

Irrespective of how many people voted, the percentage of votes for UKIP can most likely be extrapolated up. You can't claim it's only people who like UKIP that voted. These excuses are embarrassing. :o

You can extrapolate of course but as with any extrapolation the smaller the sample size and the further you take the conclusions the greater the margin for error.

I would note that success in EU elections doesn't necessarily translate into success at general elections. There may or may not be some cross-over but to imply one from the other would be quite a large jump to be taking.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27571451

Nice to see the anti fascist demonstrators acting like the very people they hate yet AGAIN.... :rolleyes:

Cant they see how stupid and infantile they are? and why are they not arrested by the police for hate crimes?

Glad to see that tool griffin trying to put a brave face on his rightly deserved utter defeat :p

wonder how long it will take labour to retool them to go after ukip full time.
 
What benefit is that? We have the same exports with countries in Europe that we did 55+ years ago.

But please tell me the others.

Large amounts of consumer protection legislation is one of the key ones - thanks to the EU you get ripped off for mobile phone roaming charges far less than you otherwise would, airlines have generous compensation schemes for when they randomly cancel flights and make you wait hours for the next one, etc etc.

The EU isn't just about trade.

Though as somebody who always tells us about how he's been able to live and work in various countries I'm surprised you seem to think the EU has zero benefits.

There are many benefits we've enjoyed from being in the EU. There are also many disadvantages, too - a rational argument looks at whether these advantages outweigh the disadvantages but so far in this thread all I can see is people like yourself pretending there are no benefits, which is clearly just false.

Irrespective of how many people voted, the percentage of votes for UKIP can most likely be extrapolated up. You can't claim it's only people who like UKIP that voted. These excuses are embarrassing. :o

One important thing to bear in mind is that those who have made a decision that they agree with and support UKIP are far more likely to vote in the first place - they've got an opinion on Europe and Politics. Whereas those who didn't bother to vote are likely not UKIP supporters for the same reason.

I suspect we'll never be able to get such figures but if you looked out at the turnout as a percentage of people who support each party, UKIP would have a huge percentage turnout.

Which means its fairly accurate to say that support in the UK for UKIP is probably pretty close to the 30% of the 30% who voted..

EU immigrants can't claim benefits without having worked here first. What you're saying is a tabloid myth.

This is what worries me the most about the direction things are heading - people seem to have increasingly strong opinions on important subjects they appear to have done zero independent research on. So we get arknor convinced that people who can just rock up and claim benefits for the lulz without bothering to check his facts - I'd like to hope he wouldnt cast a vote based on these assumptions but...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sitting down, considering the facts, educating yourself as to how the EU works and then deciding that on balance, you don't think it's a good idea and you think the UK would be better off outside of it. This is a rational, considered opinion.

There is everything wrong with the current trend of reading crap stories on rubbish newspapers, listening to other people spout BS and then deciding immigrants are the fault of everything, the EU sucks, and deciding we should be out of it as a result.

Both of those thought processes have the same net effect but IMHO only one is valid. Trouble with referendums and the like is the latter will dominate the former.
 
[TW]Fox;26356816 said:
Large amounts of consumer protection legislation is one of the key ones - thanks to the EU you get ripped off for mobile phone roaming charges far less than you otherwise would, airlines have generous compensation schemes for when they randomly cancel flights and make you wait hours for the next one, etc etc.


So for our £55 million input we get cheaper roaming and consumer protection.

We could do that ourselves without the EU, but the EU won't let us.
Roll on the general election I say.
 
BNP NATIONAL VOTE COLLAPSES BY 75%
Now most of the counts have been confirmed, it appears that the BNP's share of the vote compared to last time has collapsed by 75% overall. For example, the BNP vote in the target region of the North West reduced from 8% to 1.8% and Nick Griffin lost his seat.

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

At least 1 good thing came out of it. :cool:
 
So for our £55 million input we get cheaper roaming and consumer protection.

We could do that ourselves without the EU, but the EU won't let us.
Roll on the general election I say.

No, you need to add it on to the other benefits that have been explained to you throughout the thread that you forget/ignore as you see fit.

Please explain how the EU would have prevented us doing these things by ourself. I think you'll struggle.
 
You seriously don't think that's an erroneous comment to make? :confused:

Irrespective of how many people voted, the percentage of votes for UKIP can most likely be extrapolated up. You can't claim it's only people who like UKIP that voted. These excuses are embarrassing. :o

What's embarrassing is that you cannot accept that voting in one election doesn't necessary correlate to a different election...an anti-Europe party may do very well in an European Election but do far less well in a Domestic Election. This is further emphasised when comparing the relative turnouts, with the European Elections being roughly half that of General Elections. As Fox points out above, those that vote in a European Elections will likely vote for a European focused parties and UKIP will benefit from this, but whether this translates into Domestic Elections isn't correlative and while you can extrapolate it if you wish, it is unlikely to be an accurate extrapolation. We see this all the time in different elections, even in domestic council v general elections. One result doesn't necessary (in fact rarely) correlates with the result in the other.
 
If the EU was willing to reform itself in certain ways (rampant cronyism, all aboard the gravy train, free movement benefits criminals as well as the honest) then I'd be happy to support it.

But it won't - it's like trying for political reform in the UK - the only people who can fix the problems don't want to because they're too busy reaping the benefits of not doing so.

UKIP probably won't reform politics in the UK, but the more pressure they can put on the EU to sort itself out the better.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27571451

Nice to see the anti fascist demonstrators acting like the very people they hate yet AGAIN.... :rolleyes:

Cant they see how stupid and infantile they are? and why are they not arrested by the police for hate crimes?

Glad to see that tool griffin trying to put a brave face on his rightly deserved utter defeat :p

What an abhorrent group of people. The irony is strong with UAF.
 
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