I agree, so much conspiracy theories where the facts do not match the claims. Release reviews show Watch Dogs at similar performance on Nvida and AMD. Same with Batman AO and AC4.
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Why 'Watch Dogs' Is Bad News For AMD Users -- And Potentially The Entire PC Gaming Ecosystem
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I agree, so much conspiracy theories where the facts do not match the claims. Release reviews show Watch Dogs at similar performance on Nvida and AMD. Same with Batman AO and AC4.
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I'm actually in favour of both, gameworks adds graphical features, mantle adds performance, without gpu makers pushing forward the boundaries then the market would stagnate, competition breeds advancment, mantle has pushed Microsoft to up their game with DX12, no doubt flame works, gi works etc will be pushing AMD to look at extra shinies too
The only thing I'm against is having an unfounded go at one vendor or the other, when they are both the same, they are both looking for a marketing edge and go about getting the same end result, one way or another, they want people to look at a particular game and have their hardwsre associated as being the best hardware formthat game
I dont know why the mantle apolgists still dont see that mantke is just a short term marketing tool that will get ditched once dx12 comes along
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It hurts NV performance by comparison. If Nvidia had released a proprietary API and convinced a load of devs to support it in addition to DX in order to get better performance than AMD then everybody and their dog would be ranting about how it was a **** move and terrible for the industry (oh wait, that's what happened with Physx!) yet because AMD are the current perceived underdogs like I said before, they get a pass.
I wish I could run games on my xfire 290's via Mantle while using my GTX780 for PhysX, that would be IMBA /drool
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I don't know how people can still not grasp this basic concept.
He jumbles so many thing into the same pot.
The only thing that Mantle can hurt in any game in regards to NV is NV image of being the faster in a particular game, Mantle has no direct effect on NVs actual performance, so it can not hurt NVs performance, FACT.
No it does not hurt NV performance by comparison, its shows a comparative performance difference.
We don't care about Physx though because it has no negative effect on our performance because you need the compatible hardware to use it. Mantle is the same in that regard.
As NV API would not effect the DX path so no one should give a hoot.
When Mantle starts adding effects that are not available in the DX path then we can compare it to Physx.
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Neither does gameworks, as proven by the dozen reviews all showing 290X's trading blows or even beating 780ti's depending on settings, and so on down the stack
I must be missing something, as this graph shows similar performance
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26364521&postcount=252
Watchdogs is hard to say as there are conflicting reports due to a number of issues, but lets go back to something that can't be disputed.
And don't get me started on Ghosts.
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While nothing is proven, a hindrance can be gotten around most times given enough effort give or take, which does not then prove a hindrance never existed.
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This doesn't surprise me at all, not the nVidia thing but Ubisoft happily allowing something like the Gameworks issue to arise (and the poor perf on both vendors). Their bigwigs don't care one iota about gamers, all they care about is making money and have publicly stated this. Unless an issue directly affects their bottom line they'll not have it rectified, we'll probably see a patch or two and then nothing ever again whilst they make gazillions off the next cookie cutter Call of Duty game.
One would have to ask if Nvidia is so bad and nasty to amd users and in control of gameworks and this dev why it use's so much Vram which is clearly in AMD's favour.
Until more reviews come out really wont tell if its gimped for eiether side or not, Since most reviews seem to have the amd not far off or betting Nvidia's offering and AMD have a 30% driver boost for a game they cant optimize at all... Some of you might well be making a mountain out of a molehill about a game that was buggy and had conflicting results before release
Until more reviews come out really wont tell if its gimped for eiether side or not, Since most reviews seem to have the amd not far off or betting Nvidia's offering and AMD have a 30% driver boost for a game they cant optimize at all... Some of you might well be making a mountain out of a molehill about a game that was buggy and had conflicting results before release
One would have to ask if Nvidia is so bad and nasty to amd users and in control of gameworks and this dev why it use's so much Vram which is clearly in AMD's favour.
Until more reviews come out really wont tell if its gimped for eiether side or not, Since most reviews seem to have the amd not far off or betting Nvidia's offering and AMD have a 30% driver boost for a game they cant optimize at all... Some of you might well be making a mountain out of a molehill about a game that was buggy and had conflicting results before release
Maybe there is no coincidence that there are 6GB and 4GB versions of NV cards that popped up just in time
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Potentially dark days ahead.
Nothing new then Matt! Been going on since I can remember. Fan boys love this though, if only they voted with their wallet and ignored the e-peen...
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I haven't really looked into this case that much, but from what I can gather it is is non-issue with regards to the so-called "industry sabotage". Benchmarks for WD so far have shown sub-par performance for both Nvidia and AMD GPUs, with the relative performance of the former not being abnormally higher than the latter (although it is a tad higher, but this is to be expected given that it's an Nvidia title).
Not sure how some of you people can just spread nonsense and lies with essentially no evidence (and certainly no proof), about a company. One should be careful carrying out such actions, Nvidia would have every right to sue someone for slanderous, unsubstantiated claims against their corporation which may affect sales. I know that if I was an employee at Nvidia I would want the people responsible for creating these Daily-Mail-esque articles and the people spreading them stopped in their actions, it's just not right.
Right, says one of the numerous members with big AMD signature banners... Display your pride in AMD all you like of course, it's no issue, but the hypocrisy is unnecessary.
Not sure how some of you people can just spread nonsense and lies with essentially no evidence (and certainly no proof), about a company. One should be careful carrying out such actions, Nvidia would have every right to sue someone for slanderous, unsubstantiated claims against their corporation which may affect sales. I know that if I was an employee at Nvidia I would want the people responsible for creating these Daily-Mail-esque articles and the people spreading them stopped in their actions, it's just not right.
Nothing new then Matt! Been going on since I can remember. Fan boys love this though, if only they voted with their wallet and ignored the e-peen...
Right, says one of the numerous members with big AMD signature banners... Display your pride in AMD all you like of course, it's no issue, but the hypocrisy is unnecessary.
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Mantle is primarily about making AMD CPUs more competitive in the market.
Where did you get that from...
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It's worked wonders for Humbugs CPU
Nothing new then Matt! Been going on since I can remember. Fan boys love this though, if only they voted with their wallet and ignored the e-peen...
Stupid statement is Stupid. AMD has "e-peen" too
I'd certainly put 290 crossfire up there in "e-peen" territory.
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