****Official GTX TITAN Z owners thread****

[Dicehunter]

Someone at Nvidia is on crack, Why the hell would you bring out a card that is 1/3 more expensive than 2 Titan Blacks and has less performance and base/boost clocks etc...???

Nvidia need to stop hiring people from special needs schools.

 

[1kiwi]

Nvidia need to stop hiring talented marketers and salesmen

Fixed that for you.

 

[Dicehunter]

Fixed that for you.

No you really didn't fix it, At all.


You know it's ok not to agree with huge corporations, Have a back bone FFS.


So please explain to me why they added £920 on top of the cost of buying 2 x Titan Blacks ?

AMD only added £380 on top of buying 2 x 290X's and that was with a radiator and GPU block which in retrospect isn't bad, All Nvidia did was add 1 fan to the middle and a larger shroud.


2 x 290X = £359.99p Each so £719.99p in Total
1 x 295X2 = £1099.99p so thats a £380 increase for the custom PCB, Water block and radiator which isn't all that bad.

2 x Titan Blacks £739.99p each so £1479.99p in Total.
1 x Titan Z costs £2399.99p so thats a £920 difference just for the custom PCB and 1 fan, That just spells pure greed.

See my point ?

If it was like the AMD product and they just added £300'ish to it for the price of the water blocks, Pump, Rad etc... it wouldn't be so bad but £920 is plain greed no matter how you spin it.

 

[DarrenM343]

If it was like the AMD product and they just added £300'ish to it for the price of the water blocks, Pump, Rad etc... it wouldn't be so bad but £920 is plain greed no matter how you spin it.

I have to disagree with you on use of the word 'greed'. For reasons Nvidia thinks is right the price is what it is and so be it. If it's a simple case of trying the market at the given price then if nobody buys the price will come down.

It's like house prices. At the moment some are being quite cheeky with their asking prices in different areas of the country. Is it greed, or if someone pays it, is it the right price? After all, all you need is one buyer. If NVidia don't intend to sell many, all they need is enough buyers.

I'm not willing to pay that price for a Titan Z but I'm not going to get angry about the pricing because it doesn't suit me

 

[Dicehunter]

I have to disagree with you on use of the word 'greed'. For reasons Nvidia thinks is right the price is what it is and so be it. If it's a simple case of trying the market at the given price then if nobody buys the price will come down.

It's like house prices. At the moment some are being quite cheeky with their asking prices in different areas of the country. Is it greed, or if someone pays it, is it the right price? After all, all you need is one buyer. If NVidia don't intend to sell many, all they need is enough buyers.

I'm not willing to pay that price for a Titan Z but I'm not going to get angry about the pricing because it doesn't suit me

Never said I was angry about the pricing I just think adding £920 on top is too greedy.

 

[Kaapstad]

I have to disagree with you on use of the word 'greed'. For reasons Nvidia thinks is right the price is what it is and so be it. If it's a simple case of trying the market at the given price then if nobody buys the price will come down.

It's like house prices. At the moment some are being quite cheeky with their asking prices in different areas of the country. Is it greed, or if someone pays it, is it the right price? After all, all you need is one buyer. If NVidia don't intend to sell many, all they need is enough buyers.

I'm not willing to pay that price for a Titan Z but I'm not going to get angry about the pricing because it doesn't suit me

It is pure greed without question.

The Titan Z uses most of the components found on a pair of Titan Blacks less a few. Same GK110 chips, VRAM, etc. What allows NVidia to make the Titan Z cheaper than a pair of Titan Blacks is there is only one PCB, one cooler, one set of power connectors etc. Then if you take into account it all comes in a single box this means lower packaging, storage and transport costs.

Taking all that into account it would not be difficult to sell the card for about £1300 and still make a good profit. At this price NVidia would get good sales volumes for the card as well.

I don't have a problem with NVidia charging what they do for a Titan/Titan Black as these cards are solidly built from quality components but they are really taking the recycled lager with the asking price of a Titan Z.

 

[Dicehunter]

I don't have a problem with NVidia charging what they do for a Titan/Titan Black as these cards are solidly built from quality components but they are really taking the recycled lager with the asking price of a Titan Z.

This +

Made my morning thanks Kaap

 

[smogsy]

could buy at least 2 now, but its just not worth it

i want to replace my 7990 but nothing worth while yet

 

[flopper]

anyone buying a titan-z should get thier head examined.

 

[DarrenM343]

Fair enough guys but I think if Nvidia have created a product that they think enough people are willing to pay their retail price for then it's up to them.

It's like why in London can £330k get you a dark dingy basement flat when in other parts of the country the price could be <£100k. The markets are different.

If a property developer buys a house and spends £30k on it but they see they can get £90k more for it is that greed? Should someone tell them "no, sorry, the profit you are making is too much considering what you have spent on it" ? No, the sale will be driven by the market - will people pay it?

If an art investor buys a painting and knows another buyer a few months later is willing to pay £500k more for it, is that greed to sell it to them at that price. Someone wants it at that price.

We live in a capitalist world. Whether we like it or not sometimes, it a main reason we have the things we do today and can afford the things . People get bonuses if their companies do well, right? Sometimes that will be because of increased profits directly related to sales to customers - is it greed then when we profit by receiving a bonus?

I agree the price is biiiiggggg. If they don't sell, then maybe some of you will have an opportunity later at a better price.

 

[LambChop]

No you really didn't fix it, At all.


You know it's ok not to agree with huge corporations, Have a back bone FFS.


So please explain to me why they added £920 on top of the cost of buying 2 x Titan Blacks ?

AMD only added £380 on top of buying 2 x 290X's and that was with a radiator and GPU block which in retrospect isn't bad, All Nvidia did was add 1 fan to the middle and a larger shroud.


2 x 290X = £359.99p Each so £719.99p in Total
1 x 295X2 = £1099.99p so thats a £380 increase for the custom PCB, Water block and radiator which isn't all that bad.

2 x Titan Blacks £739.99p each so £1479.99p in Total.
1 x Titan Z costs £2399.99p so thats a £920 difference just for the custom PCB and 1 fan, That just spells pure greed.

See my point ?

If it was like the AMD product and they just added £300'ish to it for the price of the water blocks, Pump, Rad etc... it wouldn't be so bad but £920 is plain greed no matter how you spin it.

Did your figures forget to add that there are design costs, innovation costs, ffs they have 2 x titan blacks on there. You think its just a matter of bolting them on for it not to cost much more ?

AMD have the 295x2 and needed water to effectively cool it, nVidia have 2x Titan Blacks and they still cool it well on air. But you want all that for free. Sigh, if you cant afford it dont moan. I cant afford a million quid house, maybe I could moan about it.

 

[rare]

The costing makes no sense.

You can argue all day, but it still makes no sense.

It is a giant rip off of epic proportions.

 

[smogsy]

Did your figures forget to add that there are design costs, innovation costs, ffs they have 2 x titan blacks on there. You think its just a matter of bolting them on for it not to cost much more ?

AMD have the 295x2 and needed water to effectively cool it, nVidia have 2x Titan Blacks and they still cool it well on air. But you want all that for free. Sigh, if you cant afford it dont moan. I cant afford a million quid house, maybe I could moan about it.

he also forgot that titan are made for cuda use in mind rather than gaming so there designed to last much longer & have far better support for 3d applications than standard card (780TI/295)


to me these cards are aimed at
Scientists
NASA
Manufacturers
Pixar/Disney

Not Gamers

 

[Brackish]

Excuse my lack of knowledge but for CUDA based cards would you not be better getting a Tesla or Quadro card/s?

 

[Gerard]

he also forgot that titan are made for cuda use in mind rather than gaming so there designed to last much longer & have far better support for 3d applications than standard card (780TI/295)


to me these cards are aimed at
Scientists
NASA
Manufacturers
Pixar/Disney

Not Gamers

Well you're not NVidia and NVidia are marketing it at gamers, so if the company says its an enthusiast gaming card that's really all there is to it. That sounds harsh but not the way its meant to sound.

 

[1kiwi]

No you really didn't fix it, At all. :rolleyes

I fully understand the value for money argument - but that's got nothing to do with the fact that nvidia wouldn't make these products if they didn't sell.

Since when did 'greed' factor into the capitalist model? Nvidia have worked out that they get more out of a single generation by creating high end models at insane price points to justify a new price point for their bread and butter models. It's pure win and we as consumers will continue to fall for this tactic hook line and sinker until AMD or another new entrant to the market (highly unlikely) changes the model.

 

[ubersonic]

Well you're not NVidia and NVidia are marketing it at gamers, so if the company says its an enthusiast gaming card that's really all there is to it. That sounds harsh but not the way its meant to sound.

I think the issue you guys are having is that they are marketing it at BOTH, not one or the other, Titans have always been badass compute beasts that double up as gaming monsters. It's always been their cool point yet also their Achilles heel (If they priced the T-Z to match the 295 then it would sell truckloads more but also hurt Tesla/Quadro sales).

At the end of the day the GTX790 will prob cost around the same as the 295 and be targeted purely at gamers so win win, there's a different card for everyone's different needs /shrug.

 

[tommybhoy]

^
Win win for Nvidia and a lesser extent AMD(as they can't get away with charging the same) if the market accepts paying ~£1200 for a 790, £800+ for a Titan was ridiculous, now £1200 is ok?

AMD got ripped a new one for 'increasing' the ultra end to ~£420 with the 7970, look at the price now.

It's ironic how people defend a company for exponentially increasing the price of a piece of hardware that isn't raising the performance bar, it's the exact same performance you can get right now ffs.

But, but, but it's not for gamers.

Never heard of anyone using a Titan for compute on the forum never mind in the real world.

 

[1kiwi]

It's ironic how people defend a company for exponentially increasing the price of a piece of hardware that isn't raising the performance bar, it's the exact same performance you can get right now ffs.

We're not defending nvidia. This is basic supply and demand. As soon as we stop buying these products the prices will drop.

 

[PhysicsMan94]

Never heard of anyone using a Titan for compute on the forum never mind in the real world.

I know people in research who use Titans for computational physics work, I even use my 780s for some compute work (nothing intense though and nothing which requires crazy levels of precision).

Fact of the matter is that the Titan Z is an excellent compute card for people with limited space, the marketing of this GPU doesn't change that fact.