Obama releases 5 senior Taliban in order to get back alleged deserter

dowie said:
could quite easily walk out from a FOB... if there are just some ANA guys on the gate they're not going to stop an American.




that's the other kicker - he was a PFC - Private First Class - equivalent to a British Lance Corporal (albeit rarely with the same level of responsibility) they promoted him to Sgt while he was in captivity

Completely different system in the US - they get promoted quicker and enlisted ranks often serve for shorter periods of time. A Sgt over there typically leads a 'squad' does a corporals job in the British Army and might only have served for a few years - as Sgt in the British Army has probably served for a decade or so. So even a normal Sgt isn't the stereotypical wise Senior NCO type you'd find in the UK - they're more like experienced junior NCOs.... this guy wasn't even that really - he was a junior bloke who'd received a token promotion to 'PFC' and then got another token promotion to 'Sgt' after seemingly being a complete **** and getting himself captured under really weird circumstances.
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Not a chance of ANA stagging on a main gate in any FOB in Afghan 5 years ago, unless it was one solely occupied by them, MAYBE on one of the sangers in an FOB but certainly not on the main gate.
American forces can get a lot stick for having all the gear and no idea, but even they'd be a bit more switched on and let that happen.


Didn't know they promote while captured, seems a silly thing, regardless, he could have still be suffering from PTSD, leading to him walking out, the amount of balls it would take to just leave an FOB without you weapon is immense, you'd have to have mental problems to even consider it, which is why i think he did.
 
This is straight out of Wag The Dog.

"We need more distractions."

"Well, we have a soldier the Taliban has been offering to swap, for years, but there's a reason we haven't wanted him back..."

"Get it done. No man left behind, the voters will love that! They'll forget about Benghazi, the VA scandal, the mess that is Obamacare, and all the rest."

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"Turns out the story behind 'good ole Shoe' (Bergdahl) is even worse than we thought, we're gonna get slaughtered by the press and others."

"No problem! We can use this to our advantage... every American is innocent till proved guilty, see? The voters will love that! They'll forget about Benghazi, the VA scandal, the mess that is Obamacare, and all the rest. "

And wag on, and on and on...


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The whole #bringourgirlsback shenanigans also reminded me of the movie.

Propaganda/distraction in overdrive.
 
Such issues you highlight in your post OP are insignificant to the travesty of military doctrine which has encompassed the entire Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

That is what you would call a level 5 cluster****.
 
TBH it would be a fair acheivement to even sneak out of a FOB without getting stopped by someone

as for releasing people from Gitmo - if they had the evidence to charge them - they would have done it by now, they were being held still because they knew they were the bad guys but couldnt prove it. there is no other option than to release them (eventually) if you are not going to be able to take it to court - everyone complains that guantanamo is still open but also complain about what they do with these people so that it can be closed!
 
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Moses said:
Lols. They're not even party to the Rome Statute of the ICC, and when they operate in places like Iraq and Afghanistan they sign treaties to stop any possibility of their troops facing the ICC. They don't care about the International Criminal Court.
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I don't see what their troops not being accountable to the ICC has to do with any of this.

Norullah Noori is wanted by the UN and the US are obviously a member of the UN - he's currently listed by the Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee which was established by the UN Security council.
 
MofoKilla said:
The clown went awol , should have left him there tbh.
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It's not as clear cut as that i don't think, you have to have serious issues to just walk out of camp with no weapon, there's no guarantee that when they pick him up, which he must have know they would have, that they'll keep him alive.

Either he had balls the size of space hoppers and didn't think he'd get captured/contacted, a lone squaddie cutting about Afghan, or, and think this is probably the most likely scenario, he was against the war in the first place, did a few ops and patrols, saw some ugly things and was suffering, resulting him losing his mind and sense of reality and walking on out of camp.
 
We know from his letters home that he became a bit disillusioned with the war... he'd also apparently been staring at the mountains, mentioned that he fancied walking to China etc...

I think the whole losing his mind a bit scenario is quite likely. I doubt there was anything malicious intended on his part.
 
dowie said:
We know from his letters home that he became a bit disillusioned with the war... he'd also apparently been staring at the mountains, mentioned that he fancied walking to China etc...

I think the whole losing his mind a bit scenario is quite likely. I doubt there was anything malicious intended on his part.
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Sorry for bringing up this topic again, but I have an idea which possibly could be true.
As someone has said, look at Sgt Bergdahl's father, does he not look like he could possibly be associated with Islam? (Of course they, nor the government would EVER confirm that), Which means Sgt Bergdahl may possibly have had an upbringing believing is Islam (of course without the extremism or extreme rules), the peaceful part (believe it or not, peace is a fundamental part of Islam) obviously it would be family and self based, just themselves believing in the peace of it.
And there in Afghanistan, Sgt Bergdahl maybe tried to go and speak to the taliban, followers of the same religion but going in a bad way. He could have been caring about the waste of precious human lives etc. He gets to them, explains he is a follower of Islam, but in a different way, and he wants to prevent anymore deaths from both sides.
I believe he tried somewhere along those lines (even if him and the family weren't muslims), hence the reason he is still alive, and no videos of him being decapitated (what the taliban usually do), as this is a man who cares about human lives and wants a change. How could they kill him? That could explain him just leaving for no reason at all.
Obviously it would never explain Obama's decision and all that, but it could explain why this guy is in the condition he is..
Just an idea, and yes it's really far fetched, but I believe it could be true in some way.
Obviously it's GD, so you will rip me apart, just please try see what I'm saying

For what it's worth I'm an atheist
 
Wonder if any of the taliban members got some kind of tracking device implanted in them without knowing about it.
 
I would think it highly likely that the 5 released Taliban would be completely un trusted now anyway. Is there any way a compartmentalized terrorist organization would trust someone kept captive for 5 years and suddenly offered up for a swap? I would have thought that for at least the few months leading up to their release there was a significant effort to turn these people into informants in place. If so it is a massive win win.
 
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