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Wanna bench? My guess would be that the 290X wins would be limited to OpenCL programs and maybe a game or two.

I've yet to see a 290X that wasn't on LN2 that can beat the Titan I have in my rig.

Your a professional bencher with OS, BIOS and Driver hacks, tweaks and who knows what else.

With you its not a comparison of Cards, its a comparison of tools and knowledge.

Its like me going up against 8Pack, i have no chance. he could beat me with a 7970 in a lazy afternoon. And so could you.
 
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I'm about as far as you can get from a professional...

20 year old student, built my first rig in 09, used LN2 the first time 1 year ago, never gotten any sponsorships when it comes to hardware, not a part of the pro league on hwbot, etc. I'm just a hobbyist in general.

And all you need to know to beat a 290X with a Titan is how to increase the power limit and change the voltage. The first part takes 5 minutes and the second one takes another 5.
 
I'm about as far as you can get from a professional...

20 year old student, built my first rig in 09, used LN2 the first time 1 year ago, never gotten any sponsorships when it comes to hardware, not a part of the pro league on hwbot, etc. I'm just a hobbyist in general.

And all you need to know to beat a 290X with a Titan is how to increase the power limit and change the voltage. The first part takes 5 minutes and the second one takes another 5.

And yet your benches are higher than anyone with a similar setup.

You talk as tho with AMD you can't increase the power limit or change the voltage, i get a 30% overclock on mine by doing just that with standard applications and the original BIOS.

Yes you can overclock a GTX Titan, you can also overclock a 290/X, the only difference is you don't actually need to do anything special to the BIOS, or use application hacks to get 30%+ overclocks.
If anything, for overclocking AMD are better for the masses as they do it to a high degree right out of the box.

Not everyone is comfortable flashing the BIOS or using overclocking hacks, especially given that Nvidia cards only come with one BIOS, no fall back if it goes wrong.
 
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And yet your benches are higher than anyone with a similar setup.

Anyone here. There are better ones on other forums.

You talk as tho with AMD you can't increase the power limit or change the voltage, i get a 30% overclock on mine by doing just that with standard applications and the original BIOS.

Yes and to beat a 290X doing that normal OC with higher power limits and extra voltage all you need to do with a Titan is remove the power limit and remove the MSI AB software limitation.

The thing is that Titans benefit much, much more from those extra watts and volts. They start out at lower volts and lower power but end up at similar voltages and considerably higher power levels once OC'd.

Which makes sense obviously since they have considerably higher OC potential than 290Xs.

Yes you can overclock a GTX Titan, you can also overclock a 290/X, the only difference is you don't actually need to do anything special to the BIOS, or use application hacks to get 30%+ overclocks.
If anything, for overclocking AMD are better for the masses as they do it to a high degree right out of the box.

We're not on toms hardware, anyone here can sacrifice the 10 minutes it takes to learn how to bios flash and the 5 minutes it actually takes to do it.

Also 30%+ overclocks on 290Xs are 1300MHz+ overclocks...

Not everyone is comfortable flashing the BIOS or using overclocking hacks, especially given that Nvidia cards only come with one BIOS, no fall back if it goes wrong.

Just shows the misinformation about bios flashes.

If you get a bad flash you can fix it by flashing normally in windows with the help of another GPU (igpu for example) or by blind flashing if you have absolutely no other gpus available.

Not wanting to flash bioses due to "safety" is a ridiculous argument since we're talking about watercooled cards and running out of spec voltages...
 
Yes you can overclock a GTX Titan, you can also overclock a 290/X, the only difference is you don't actually need to do anything special to the BIOS, or use application hacks to get 30%+ overclocks..

Base clock on a Titan is 876Mhz - Most clock to 1176Mhz.

That's a 34% overclock without flashing anything :)
 
And yet your benches are higher than anyone with a similar setup.

You talk as tho with AMD you can't increase the power limit or change the voltage, i get a 30% overclock on mine by doing just that with standard applications and the original BIOS.

Yes you can overclock a GTX Titan, you can also overclock a 290/X, the only difference is you don't actually need to do anything special to the BIOS, or use application hacks to get 30%+ overclocks.
If anything, for overclocking AMD are better for the masses as they do it to a high degree right out of the box.

Not everyone is comfortable flashing the BIOS or using overclocking hacks, especially given that Nvidia cards only come with one BIOS, no fall back if it goes wrong.

I flashed my Titan when it failed with ease. Not sure where you are getting your information from but that is FUD. Also, not all nVidia cards have a single BIOS, as my 680's had a dual BIOS, so again you are wrong. As for flashing cards, I have no problem and it takes 30 seconds switching from one BIOS to another and a few seconds adding 3 lines of text to AB.

I have also seen people flashing BIOS's to their 290's/X's, so a bit of a misleading post altogether really.
 
Anyone here. There are better ones on other forums.



Yes and to beat a 290X doing that normal OC with higher power limits and extra voltage all you need to do with a Titan is remove the power limit and remove the MSI AB software limitation.

The thing is that Titans benefit much, much more from those extra watts and volts. They start out at lower volts and lower power but end up at similar voltages and considerably higher power levels once OC'd.

Which makes sense obviously since they have considerably higher OC potential than 290Xs.



We're not on toms hardware, anyone here can sacrifice the 10 minutes it takes to learn how to bios flash and the 5 minutes it actually takes to do it.

Also 30%+ overclocks on 290Xs are 1300MHz+ overclocks...



Just shows the misinformation about bios flashes.

If you get a bad flash you can fix it by flashing normally in windows with the help of another GPU (igpu for example) or by blind flashing if you have absolutely no other gpus available.

Not wanting to flash bioses due to "safety" is a ridiculous argument since we're talking about watercooled cards and running out of spec voltages...

I'm referring to 290's like my own, they trade blows with a GTX Titan with a 947Mhz clock, a 30% overclock is 1230Mhz, i have seen them run at over 1300Mhz which equates to +40%

If your pushing a 290X hard on the overclock as you would a GTX Titan they run at about 1350 to 1370Mhz while the 290X would run at about 1280 to 1300Mhz while already being <10% faster clock for clock, you have to push the GTX Titan that much further just so it can keep up.

In the real world an average AIB cooled 290/X can run 1200Mhz day in day out, thats +20 to 25% for 24/7 use right out of the box. while a GTX Titan would do 1250Mhz 24/7 but only after some hacking and messing about.
Its irrelevant how easy you think it is messing on With Nvidia cards to get them to overclock properly.

You can't suggest needing hacks and tweaks to get an Nvidia to overclock is normal every day and such valid use for the masses, its fine for you, and other enthusiasts, for most people they don't know how to hack Nvidia GPU's or are willing to do it.
There for Nvidia overclock as high as Nvidia will allow, which isn't high at all because they don't like it, AMD on the other hand, much higher. Enthusiasts GPU's right out of the box. "The Way Its Meant To Be"
 
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