Cambridge University unnecessarily allowing sheep to suffer

[darael]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-27767935

Cambridge University is investigating claims that sheep used in its brain research suffered "unnecessarily".

It follows the shooting of undercover video by the British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection (BUAV).

The campaign group said it found sheep with electrodes stuck in their brains struggling to walk and losing their sight before they died or were killed.

The university said "allegations of mistreatment" were taken "very seriously".

The BUAV said its footage included one animal suffering a broken leg and being put to sleep after an impatient staff member tried to force it into a cage for weighing.

Personally I strongly disagree with sticking electrodes in a sheep's brain all in the name of research. I genuinely didn't realise humans had stooped so low.

 

[Amnesia]

If they are doing it for research I dont see the issue.

 

[bitslice]

I genuinely didn't realise humans had stooped so low.

Where have you been?
We've been sticking electrodes into animal's brains since electrodes were invented

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This is the research Nick Clegg funded to make sure we all think the same as he does.
It looks painful, but remember - we are all in this together
(well, except all the millionaires who govern us of course)

Spoiler

Besides, we can't have a lot of rich people dying before they are 110,
or to fund those anti-Parkinsions drug trails to keep billionaires from spilling their G&T


People have been closing their eyes to this for years, nobody wants to die.

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I don't know how cats managed without a Printer port in their heads, hooray for research

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Hey, guess what happens when you sew a kittens bladder shut?
That's right, it explodes!

Vital research indeed

Spoiler

I could post all the pictures from the decades of women's Cosmetic research, but some of you might throw up.


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[tbyeah]

Perhaps a bit NSFW...

 

[Redz]

I wonder how long Cambridge University have being pulling the wool over our eyes about this.

 

[bitslice]

Perhaps a bit NSFW...

Let's delete the thread and make it all go away


But I've added spoilers so it's easier to pretend it's not our problem




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[James J]

If they are doing it for research I dont see the issue.

I agree with this, as long as the law is followed to prevent needless animal suffering. UK law is very strict about this for obvious reasons. Sadly without the research, scientific progress would cease in fields such as neuropathology and pharmaceuticals as I wouldn't see any healthy human putting themselves forward for the same procedures in the name of science.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I wonder how long Cambridge University have being pulling the wool over our eyes about this.

Do you? Why?

 

[Gogl]

Do ewe? Why?

FTFE.

 

[bitslice]

I agree with this, as long as the law is followed to prevent needless animal suffering. UK law is very strict about this for obvious reasons. Sadly without the research, scientific progress would cease in fields such as neuropathology and pharmaceuticals as I wouldn't see any healthy human putting themselves forward for the same procedures in the name of science.

I seem to remember some research was pretty ridiculous and basically just experimenting for the sake of it.
Yes we benefit, but many of these experiments are only done so somebody can make money as a result. Then the ethical justification is a little harder to make.

If companies can explain what these procedures are for then they should do it publicly and not in secret. Then people can decide the true value of a product - yes it makes your skin look younger, but x animals were tested for y months, z number of them felt actual pain and of course all of them were killed at the end of the trials.

If a pharmacological product is keeping you alive, then it's only right that you are fully aware of the number of animals that had to suffer and die to make it so.

As it is we are not allowed a choice and we have no ability to say no to all these experiments. Ignorance does not equal consent.

Do you? Why?

Would it kill you to take part in the forum properly?
Y'know, like offer an opinion on anything at all?

I swear when you do I will print it out and hang it on my wall.

 

[Efour]

Thanks Ladies and Gentleman ill be here all night, Try the lobster.

 

[chief barker]

Would it kill you to take part in the forum properly?
Y'know, like offer an opinion on anything at all?

I swear when you do I will print it out and hang it on my wall.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Would it kill you to take part in the forum properly?
Y'know, like offer an opinion on anything at all?

Well, you posted some pretty NSFW pictures and then used a word which will probably be edited out by a mod if they see it. If that's "taking part properly" then no, I won't be doing that.

I can ask for expansion on a statement and did so. Whilst hardly likely to kickstart this DOA thread into life, it's at least trying to propel things forward rather than imprint my view on everyone else.

I swear when you do I will print it out and hang it on my wall.

Selective reading is either willfully ignorant or just ignorant. You can choose whichever label works best for you.

 

[JBuk]

Cats with printer ports sticking out their brain , pretty cool but I need usb3 for my cat

 

[Energize]

If they are doing it for research I dont see the issue.

Often research is junk, offering no benefit to mankind, not even being close to the threshold of ethical justifiability, you can see this reading medical and biology journals.

The "forced swim test" for example. Very poor predictive power and flawed even at the theoretical level.

 

[Cosimo]

Cats with printer ports sticking out their brain , pretty cool but I need usb3 for my cat

Why do ewe need that?

 

[bitslice]

I can ask for expansion on a statement and did so.

The wording is careful but I usually interpret all of your responses as knowingly mocking.
That was never going to move anything forward, and as amusing as it must be for you to look down there is nothing to respond to. Haven't you noticed that I'm the only person to quote you in ages?

Selective reading is either willfully ignorant or just ignorant. You can choose whichever label works best for you.

OK, please select one yourself, pick any debate where you have posted a definite black and white opinion on any subject and I'll frame it for posterity.

All I ever see from you are reflections of a poster's attitude, it's like reading the responses a sarcastic computer makes as it tries to pass the Turing test.

I'm not saying this to annoy you, but no other intelligent poster on this forum is so reluctant to commit to anything, why are you doing this?

 

[Amp34]

Often research is junk, offering no benefit to mankind, not even being close to the threshold of ethical justifiability, you can see this reading medical and biology journals.

The "forced swim test" for example. Very poor predictive power and flawed even at the theoretical level.

And then there is not he question of animal physiology. There is much debate over whether it's worth testing drugs on many animals we do due to the differences. An example of this is mice, so physiologically different that several papers are suggesting the results aren't worth the cruelty because they aren't transferrable to human bodies...

 

[robgmun]

Cats with printer ports sticking out their brain , pretty cool but I need usb3 for my cat

Although i can believe the other pictures, I'm pretty sure that particular one turn out to be a fake, and a really old one at that, i've been seeing that picture for over a decade now.

Not that it matters, we need to do this research, and while i can respect btslice in being passionate about his cause i cannot agree with him

 

[bitslice]

I didn't know it was fake, I'll look into it later and take it down if so.
It was a bit late and I didn't have time to make much of a case pro/con.

To be clear, I'm not demanding that we stop all research now,
I just insist that we are all aware of exactly what suffering is part and parcel of animal research.
Magnolia glibly dismisses all this as pretty NSFW, but that was the point, how often do we stop and question what we are doing.

It's unethical to just continue to use modern medicines without acknowledging that a lot of creatures were basically tortured to keep us all healthly.
You can of course make any changes you like based on that, but at least you are not allowed to continue being wilfully ignorant of the situation.

Like right now I'm consciously ignoring everyone dying in Africa, I know exactly what is going on and I've made that choice to be negligent.


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