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It's upto you.
I prefer kit built as I can start with a good base bike.
The bike that the Woosh big bear is built on can be bought for £150 - it'd fall apart within a month with my usage.
Electric Bike Conversion Kit or Electric Bike?
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It's upto you.
I prefer kit built as I can start with a good base bike.
The bike that the Woosh big bear is built on can be bought for £150 - it'd fall apart within a month with my usage.
Actually it says this.
Cos it's the press of a button, buy the time you've stopped, it's re-restricted again. There is no opportunity for them to see it's been de-restricted.
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An EN5194 certified bike cannot be derestricted "at a push of a button" so they're either lying or they've added the "desristriction button" AFTER the bikes have passed certification, meaning the EN5194 cert is now invalid.
EN5194 states "a motor CANNOT assist the rider if the velocity of the bike is higher than 25km/h".
If pushing a button lets the motor assist above 25km/h, then it's not EN5194 compliant.
I've still never seen an EN5194 sticker on a Woosh.
So, you reckon VOSA wont be able to figure out the derestriction button after they've confiscated your bike?
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Any e-bikes speed is computer controlled and therefore all have the potential to be de-restricted by modifying computer settings. I see nothing in the regulations to suggest that the ability to de-restrict the bike invalidates the certification. The king-meter is a commonly used computer in e-bikes.
They can find it, doesn't mean you've pressed it.
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Speed is commonly set in the controller or via matching battery voltage and rpm of the motor, so the motor is physically incapable of assisting above the limit. You can get programmable controllers but you need a laptop and a program to overwrite the settings - you can't do this whilst riding.
The only EN5194 certified King Meter equipped bike are those that have had the speed derestriction code disabled in the firmware at the factory.
Doesn't matter. Ebike regulations aren't like those for cars - where you can have a car capable of 200mph but as long as you stick to the speed limits you're ok - remember, you need a license to drive a car, with an ebike you don't. If an ebike is capable of assisting above 25km/h (whether you need to press a "hidden" button or whatever) then it's illegal - it's as simple as that.
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Isnt this a bit of a catch-22?
If it's restricted, it's classed as an ebike so it's not classed as a vehicle and, presumably, VOSA wouldnt have the authority to confiscate it?
If it's unrestricted, then it's an illegal electrically powered vehicle?
So they would need to prove it was unrestricted before they have the authority to confiscate it?
Unless i have misunderstood the rules?
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No, they only need to have a suspicion that its an illegal ebike, which they'd have if someone saw you whizzing along at 20mph and any ebikes involved in accidents requiring a police response are seized and scrutinised as per normal procedures.
If course, this is all theoretical as I've been using illegal ebikes for years and no one has batted an eyelid. Just don't try to convince yourself your ebike is legal when it mist likely isn't (for example no kit built bike can be legal unless you've paid thousands for an en5194 test).
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I just can't find any statement in the legislation that supports that assertion, if it's computer controlled you can over ride while riding regardless of the exact setup it uses, that's inherent to any form of device with a programmable chip.
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It says a motor cannot assist the rider if the bike is travelling more than 25km/h - it can't be any clearer.
Right, and as long as the setting is at than that it is not doing so.
nothing wrong with my stealth. i liked it a lot. i enjoyed riding it. i was sad to see it go.
i actually tried to find a woosh demo bike and it was very difficult to find one. woosh made an arrangement with a woosh owner to test ride his bike. i felt very uneasy about going to completely stranger's house 50 miles away.
that's the only reason why i bought the stealth cos i tested rode it at local ebike shop
edit: with woosh biker owner, you can have your bike as a demo for local people and get some money from woosh
i actually tried to find a woosh demo bike and it was very difficult to find one. woosh made an arrangement with a woosh owner to test ride his bike. i felt very uneasy about going to completely stranger's house 50 miles away.
that's the only reason why i bought the stealth cos i tested rode it at local ebike shop
edit: with woosh biker owner, you can have your bike as a demo for local people and get some money from woosh
It "can not" when the setting is 25kph.
Hell I could attach a king meter to any e-bike and get it running at 25mph, so you could say any e-bike is capable of going above 15mph.
Sounds about right with that company lol.
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That's like saying "my crank drive bike is fully legal as it doesn't do more than 25km/h - as long as I don't use gears 8, 9 or 10. It wouldn't stand up to scrutiny in a legal definition test and neither does a "derestrict" button.
But that's a physical modification that would automatically invalidate the EN5194 cert.
Look, we're clearly not going to agree on this (even though I'm right) so we'll just agree to disagree and if you think a bike with a "derestrict" button is legal then good luck to you. I'll say no more on the matter as I've made my case and it's up to each individual whether they take those arguments on board.
I'll finish by saying I've ridden a fair few "illegal" ebikes (by some margin for some) and I've never had an issue. If you make sure it still looks like a cycle, pedal all the time (even if not putting any effort in) and don't ride like a **** then you'll probably pass below the authorities radar for ever - as long as you aren't involved in a serious accident and hurt somebody (including yourself). If you are involved in a serious accident - well - they'll find something wrong with 95% of the ebikes out there.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_810737_langId_-1_categoryId_165534
Alright guys....Im thinking to make my decision tonight, to stop me from wasting my own time lol, I keep thinking about whether to get that or to get this or to get that etc. and Im wasting your time also by keep having to ask questions! lol so final question tonight..I hope you all can help me in making my final decision.
RIght, this carerra bike costs £210 as there is an offer at halfords £20 off.
So, I was thinking to get this bike and add this kit to it since I have heard good things about GBK:
http://www.greenbikekit.com/36v-250w-gbk-100f-front-driving-e-bike-kit-with-bottle-battery.html
with the option of having the 36V 10AH Samsung Battery and LCD so I can derestrict heheh.
so:
carerra bike : £210
GBK Kit: £390
Total: £600
OR
To Compete with the battery of the Woosh: these two:
http://www.greenbikekit.com/36v-250w-gbk-100f-electric-bike-kit.html
and
http://www.greenbikekit.com/36v-15ah-li-ion-rear-rack-battery.html
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Carerra: £210
GBK Kit: £390
Total £600
OR
Just get the big bear from Woosh at £809
bearing in mind that the big bear has more torque (which i dont mind)
