British public wrongly believe rich pay most in tax

The problem with charity donations is that they often go to political or particularly emotive causes rather than where the money is actually needed.

Britons give more money to donkey sanctuaries than abuse charities.

And who is to say where the money is actually needed? Just because you may believe abuse charities should have more money than helping abused donkeys and other wildlife doesn't mean others do.

As an example I donate a reasonable amount to charity every month, none of it goes to human oriented charities, all to environmental charities/organisations. If I could I would ask for more of my taxes to be diverted to initiatives like that as well.

A choice between "saving" another few people I will never know or meet, out of the seven billion of the species on the planet, or helping save some rainforest meaning the a highly endangered species may survive into the future? I'll take the latter thanks.

Your post is a prime example of politics at play, except it's the opposite to the point you are trying to make.;)

That's not mentioning the emotiveness of government policy either. Much of the aid we give (and policies we follow) are heavily related to emotive subjects.
 
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I'd be willing to gamble with dropping income tax on the bottom 50% full stop. Granted it would reduce tax revenue, but hopefully people would live slightly better and reduce NHS spending. If we matched this with (increased) duties on the main contributors of unhealthy living such as alcohol, smoking, chocolate, crisps we might end up with no real loss anyway.
 
There is a movement in the US where people don't pay tax, they donate the equivalent to charities of their choice because they don't agree with the way the US spends the tax revenue (military vs education). Illegal sadly.

Most wealthy people don't mind paying large amount in tax if they know they money is well spent, sadly that is never the case. Governments are incredibly inefficient and invest massive amount in military rather than areas that could actually have an impact.

I find this type of attitude quite irritating.

The law is the law, and that's governed through the democratic process.

It's not pick and mix. They have no more right to ignore tax legislation than the next man has to rob people in the street.

If tax was replaced with charitable donations, you probably end up with no roads and some very well maintained animal shelters.

Charity is fine, and they already gets tax breaks. It's not a substitute for government spending.
 
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The problem with charity donations is that they often go to political or particularly emotive causes rather than where the money is actually needed.

Britons give more money to donkey sanctuaries than abuse charities.

Indeed, it is prone to a non-ideal redistribution.
However the problem with taxation is the money is often spent where it is not actually needed; defense, government inefficiencies, etc.
 
If find this type of attitude quite irritating.

The law is the law, and that's governed through the democratic process.

It's not pick and mix. They have no more right to ignore tax legislation that the next man has to rob people in the street.

It is much more complex than that though. What moral right does a government have for forcefully take someone's money against their wishes and using it for things that person is strongly against such as state sanctioned murder or killing innocent civilians in foreign countries?

The democratic process doesn't ensure a free-ride over morality.

I'm not claiming what is right and wrong (that is impossible) but it is easy to make a strong case why it is morally correct to withheld taxes and donate to suitable charities and it is morally wrong to support organization that go against your moral ideals.
 
There is no easy solution to improve equality, and the only sure fire methods are completely abhorrent.
It isn't' that hard.

We just need to accept that the game is rigged from the get go & perfect equality of opportunity will never happen - then move away from social systems aimed at punitive measures against those who fail (who were in reality starting from a worse point than most).

If a person lacks intelligence & has a terrible job because they lost the genetic & parental lottery - I no any reason why they should be punished with a much lower standard of living as a result of it.

Our social understanding has already moved to include the obviously disabled (by a specific genetic condition which could make a person unable to really contribute) - I'd argue very low intelligence & a lack of self-control are no different to every single other inherited or learned condition.

The reason this line of thinking is unpopular is that people have to let go of ego & simply see themselves as the fortunate beneficiaries of positive traits which enabled them to succeed.
 
Indeed, it is prone to a non-ideal redistribution.
However the problem with taxation is the money is often spent where it is not actually needed; defense, government inefficiencies, etc.

Not needed according to who?

It is much more complex than that though. What moral right does a government have for forcefully take someone's money against their wishes and using it for things that person is strongly against such as state sanctioned murder or killing innocent civilians in foreign countries?

The democratic process doesn't ensure a free-ride over morality.

I'm not claiming what is right and wrong (that is impossible) but it is easy to make a strong case why it is morally correct to withheld taxes and donate to suitable charities and it is morally wrong to support organization that go against your moral ideals.

Government doesn't have to be moral, providing it stays within the law. It only has to be elected for mandate.

If you don't agree with government policy, tough luck. Move somewhere else.
 
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I find this type of attitude quite irritating.

The law is the law, and that's governed through the democratic process.

It's not pick and mix. They have no more right to ignore tax legislation than the next man has to rob people in the street.

If tax was replaced with charitable donations, you probably end up with no roads and some very well maintained animal shelters.

Charity is fine, and they already gets tax breaks. It's not a substitute for government spending.

That's democracy for you.

What you are basically saying is the will of the people cannot be trusted...
 
That's democracy for you.

What you are basically saying is the will of the people cannot be trusted...

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying on some issues, the collective will is much more effective that inderviduals working in isolation .
 
People should just accept it is what it is.

I could think of a million and one things I would do with my money that goes to tax but I can't. I can think of a million and one things I would like my tax to be spent on, but it won't.

Does it really affect you? Like really honestly affect you?

I have an education, healthcare, police and fire services, public transport, roads to drive on, other infrastructure and a military to defend me. Also I know I help out the elderly, the less well off, the disabled.

Aslong as my childen when I have them have the above, and their children, etc. etc. I honestly couldn't really care THAT much. Yes who wouldn't like more money?

But I get all this just because I sacrifice some of my wages...
 
Would you be all for funding the masters and paying the additional salary required to make teachers as "esteemed" as doctors as lawyers?

yep master paid for upon completion with the requirement they remain in teaching for at least ten years, if they don't they have to pay off the cost of their degree.

Call the wage for a fully qualified and certified profession teacher up to standard at say 50k and i'd be fore that along with the increase in number required to reduce the class sizes.



education i dont mind paying for, some stupid green initiative to subsidies a wind farm i don't like. so that would be an extra 1 Billion to pay for the education reforms if we cut paying for windfarms not to make power.
 
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