7 days without business grade FTTC

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Hi,


A company I occasionally do home work for have been without their FTTC 80/20 product since last Thursday. It started with a local "blackout" across the Exchange, effecting all providers. From the data I pulled from their Draytek router they regained connection for a couple of minutes last Friday morning and then there was no transfer.

Now, the odd thing about this is that no matter what Router I used - their existing Draytek, a brand new out of box TP-Link Router or the provided Technicolour they connect and synchronise at the normal rate, however no surfing can take place - but the provider can ping our connection and I also allowed Telnet access to the router and they managed to successfully connect.

I ran through many hoops with the provider, and even connected the router directly via VDSL as the Draytek is VDSL Compatible and I was concerned about the Openreach box providing the fault. Unfortunately none of this worked.

It was left with the provider that it would be escalated within their own team over the weekend and if no resolution was found, reported to BT Wholesale. After. Speaking to neighbouring businesses throughout the week it has been a localised issue but none of them have gone to the level of troubleshooting that I have. Various BT Engineers have been to the local cabinet and replaced some hardware cards to no avail (although, I suspected that it wouldn't do any good). Their next step is to get an engineer into the Exchange and look at the DSLAM, which would have been my first port of call as that is what connects us to the wider world from the Exchange, which is where the issue kicked off initially.

Loosing connectivity has been absolutely detrimental to my customer, as they are a Computer Shop! Would you guys think that they have a chance of raising a complaint and getting some compensation as it is easily costing them £500+ a day through lack of income from repairs.

Your thoughts would be much appreciated.


Cheers,

Swinnie
 
Good luck with that.
Business grade or not there aren't any SLA's for DSL so at the very very best your customer would get service credits for the amount of days they have been without internet (which I'm guessing isn't going to be a lot in £'s, I'm not familiar with current pricing but the maths probably won't push this over £10)

The fact that you are pingable from the outside world proves data can traverse the network, and the telnet proves it wasn't a fluke. The ISP need to be investigating this at their level rather than passing it on to BT IMO

***ISP aren't Easynet by any chance?
 
Good luck with that.
Business grade or not there aren't any SLA's for DSL so at the very very best your customer would get service credits for the amount of days they have been without internet (which I'm guessing isn't going to be a lot in £'s, I'm not familiar with current pricing but the maths probably won't push this over £10)

The fact that you are pingable from the outside world proves data can traverse the network, and the telnet proves it wasn't a fluke. The ISP need to be investigating this at their level rather than passing it on to BT IMO

***ISP aren't Easynet by any chance?

That was exactly my thoughts, but thought I'd better ask around.

No, the ISP is Gradwell.

Get 3G backup.

This may be the kick they need to do just that. They've had smaller outages which I have recommended that they get a reliable 3G backup we the Draytek can take it natively. We shall see... bottom line with this company is always cost, however...
 
That was exactly my thoughts, but thought I'd better ask around.

No, the ISP is Gradwell.



This may be the kick they need to do just that. They've had smaller outages which I have recommended that they get a reliable 3G backup we the Draytek can take it natively. We shall see... bottom line with this company is always cost, however...

If I was losing £500 a day, I'd be spending a goodly sum on 3G/4G to tide me over.

As it happens, I have this in place and pay £15 a month for a WAN2 failover on my Draytek to Three.
 
If I was losing £500 a day, I'd be spending a goodly sum on 3G/4G to tide me over.
to Three.

The amount of times I wish I could have said that to customers at my old job. If your internet is so important to you, actually pay the right money for it in the first place and "always use protection" (3g)

BT won't bend over backwards to fix a DSL as their response is that if you want uptime and compensation for down. They have products that will do that so are more inclined to work at snails pace for DSL.

Hope your customer isn't down for too long, it's a hard lesson to learn in this case.
 
If I was losing £500 a day, I'd be spending a goodly sum on 3G/4G to tide me over.

As it happens, I have this in place and pay £15 a month for a WAN2 failover on my Draytek to Three.

Exactly my thoughts. Not to mention just keeping a good level of customer service to existing customers of machines already in the workshop. They have today purchased a 3G Dongle, and have got a good plan by the looks of things.

If it's FTTC then the DSLAM is in the street cabinet, not the exchange.

I didn't know that, the BT Engineer replaced the VTUC Card in the local cabinet apparently, but the ISP were confused as to why!

The amount of times I wish I could have said that to customers at my old job. If your internet is so important to you, actually pay the right money for it in the first place and "always use protection" (3g)

Exactly. I have installed 3G Backups for other customers and it gets them out of trouble. Many of those don't stand to loose half as much money as this customer either.

BT won't bend over backwards to fix a DSL as their response is that if you want uptime and compensation for down. They have products that will do that so are more inclined to work at snails pace for DSL.

Hope your customer isn't down for too long, it's a hard lesson to learn in this case.

I've got a terrible experience with BT Wholesale in this area, so I know how poorly the operation is. The Engineers that are customer facing are generally excellent, knowledgable and there to help. From my experience, the ones that work in the background are not as good. Half arsed in their approach.

Hopefully it gets resolved soon, but at least they now have 3G Backup.
 
it is easily costing them £500+ a day

Stopped reading here. Either this number is pulled out of the air, or they are being terribly advised. If a loss of connectivity can cost £500 per day then they should have multiple redundant leased lines from different providers coming in from different directions, backed by SLAs. There is no such thing as an FTTC connection with a real SLA.
 
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Stopped reading here. Either this number is pulled out of the air, or they are being terribly advised. If a loss of connectivity can cost £500 per day then they should have multiple redundant leased lines from different providers coming in from different directions, backed by SLAs. There is no such thing as an FTTC connection with a real SLA.

Agree. If it's worth £500 income a day then £15 per month for 3g as a backup to ensure that level of income is one of the best insurance policies going. Heck, I'd get a SIM with a couple of mobile networks to ensure it still worked when there was an outage (because everyone else is gonna flock to 3g when there's an outage - and who's to say the 3g mast didn't perhaps rely on, say, the same broken fibre or whatever knocked out your internet).
 
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