AMD teases new FX desktop chip

Boomstick777 · 21 Jun 2014 at 20:51

humbug said:
The most realistic thing to me seems 8 core 28nm Steamrooler, maybe 10 core if on 28nm.

Agreed, thinking it's most likely a desktop Steamroller part on mature 28nm more optimized for clock speed.

Second best guess would be an FX branded desktop APU with 4 or possibly 6 cores and more GPU cores.

If this was another highly clocked Piledriver part it would be an epic fail tbh. Flogging a dead horse and then some..

cheesyboy · 21 Jun 2014 at 20:53

If this were a new architecture CPU they wouldn't launch it at ridiculous clocks requiring a liquid cooler. It's probably just a 9590 in a new retail packaged liquid cooling bundle.

Martini1991 · 21 Jun 2014 at 20:54

IF it's a 28nm Octo, what do you they bring it to? FM2+? They can't bring it to AM3+ without a **** storm from FM2......... (Well, then again, they can, it's AMD, it'll get ignored)

And if it's a 28nm Octo, why the watercooler? It's going to be raising the price.

Unless it's a 28nm Octo core clocked as high as possible........ But then are FM2+ boards geared for that? Probably not.

I think that watercooler is a telling sign that may somewhat rule out an FX 8 Steamroller.

cheesyboy · 21 Jun 2014 at 20:58

The eco system just isn't there on FM2+ for a monster-tdp CPU.

Martini1991 · 21 Jun 2014 at 21:04

cheesyboy said:
The eco system just isn't there on FM2+ for a monster-tdp CPU.

Agreed at present. But some of the boards are rather high-end looking to be honest. I can definitely see AMD moving to one platform for their none SOC stuff.

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 22:44

Martini1991 said:
IF it's a 28nm Octo, what do you they bring it to? FM2+? They can't bring it to AM3+ without a **** storm from FM2......... (Well, then again, they can, it's AMD, it'll get ignored)

And if it's a 28nm Octo, why the watercooler? It's going to be raising the price.

Unless it's a 28nm Octo core clocked as high as possible........ But then are FM2+ boards geared for that? Probably not.

I think that watercooler is a telling sign that may somewhat rule out an FX 8 Steamroller.

Those on an FM platform are not interested in anything on an AM platform and vice versa.... if it has no iGPU its out of place on FM

If it is an AM platform FX its likely to be an AM3+ last hurra before AM4 DDR4 later next year

cheesyboy said:
The eco system just isn't there on FM2+ for a monster-tdp CPU.

Also this.

Martini1991 · 21 Jun 2014 at 22:46

Yes, but if AM3+ gets a Steamroller SKU, then that raises questions why FM2+ was required, seeing as FM2 is newer than AM3+.

I'm just really not seeing this being a Steamroller FX. I want it to be, but I just can't see it.

adolf hamster · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:04

9590 with cooler, considering the current one ships without a cooler maybe their trying to entice people who for some reason don't want to buy a top end air system [k2 etc] just to keep the chip at stock

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:18

Martini1991 said:
Yes, but if AM3+ gets a Steamroller SKU, then that raises questions why FM2+ was required, seeing as FM2 is newer than AM3+.

I'm just really not seeing this being a Steamroller FX. I want it to be, but I just can't see it.

I would have had to have been in the conversation to understand where I'm coming from.

AMD have been pushing APU's because they believe HSA is the future.

Having said that AMD has Gamers and enthusiasts like the likes of us, they are not interested in APU's, what they want is the available die space used to get the most out of the CPU, not the iGPU taking up all the space, if you look at APU's you can see the CPU part taking a back seat in a dark little corner.

I had a very frank discussion with a guy from AMD about their CPU's, our minds meet on it, there are guys in there who are absolute in their faith in the continuation in enthusiast level CPU's, not just APU's, in the industry as a whole and from AMD.

They problem is they just haven't had the resources to do everything they want, they have had to cut right back and prioritise. but that is rapidly changing, they are now confident in their future, their abilities and their security.
They have hit the reset button, they are gearing up again.

Martini1991 · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:22

But, if Steamroller comes to AM3+ (I don't think it will) it raises questions over why FM2 didn't get Kaveri. FM2 being newer than AM3+.

That's my point, nothing else.

I didn't make comment on anything other than that

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Again, I think the watercooler is prominent.

faceman123 · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:27

Hope it comes with an all in one power planet

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:30

Martini1991 said:
But, if Steamroller comes to AM3+ (I don't think it will) it raises questions over why FM2 didn't get Kaveri. FM2 being newer than AM3+.

That's my point, nothing else.

I didn't make comment on anything other than that .

Again, I think the watercooler is prominent.

But but... I want to ramble on

kill joy... :cool:

IDK, don't forget Kaveri has an entirely different iGPU to Richland / Trinity.

Edit; the water cooler, probably Roy pushing for one with silly clocks on this one too, again!

Martini1991 · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:31

humbug said:
But but... I want to ramble on kill joy...

IDK, don't forget Kaveri has an entirely different iGPU to Richland / Trinity.

It does, but if they geared a socket for that they'd have solved the crippling bandwidth problems.

The *only* way I can see this logically being a Steamroller 8 core is overclocked as far as possible to review well, hence the cooler. But again, I really can't see it, I think it's probably what MMJ said, or a higher clocked Vishera. I think a 10 core's grasping at straws, but it's be hilarious if it was.
The watercooler adds to the cost, even being an 8 core Steamroller, if it's got another 40 pound on it, you're probably better getting an i5 4690K still

humbug · 21 Jun 2014 at 23:48

Martini1991 said:
It does, but if they geared a socket for that they'd have solved the crippling bandwidth problems.

The *only* way I can see this logically being a Steamroller 8 core is overclocked as far as possible to review well, hence the cooler. But again, I really can't see it, I think it's probably what MMJ said, or a higher clocked Vishera. I think a 10 core's grasping at straws, but it's be hilarious if it was.
The watercooler adds to the cost, even being an 8 core Steamroller, if it's got another 40 pound on it, you're probably better getting an i5 4690K still

Vishera will not clock much higher than the FX 9590, water cooled or not, the FX 9590 already needs one or a top Noctua air cooler, 5Ghz on all 8 is the absolute limit, most of them start to get tricky to keep 24/7 stable after 4.8.

An even higher clocked Vishera is not happening.

It has more chance of being a high clocked 200+ Watt APU with a 270 iGPU.

The problem with that is: A, the iGPU is still throttled by DDR3, and more importantly: B, no existing FM2+ motherboard will get anywhere near powering such an APU, with the probable chances of anyone making a monster Motherboard for such a chip:> Null!

28nm AM3+ 8 Core steamroller is what I keep falling back to.

Martini1991 · 22 Jun 2014 at 00:06

An FX9590 isn't 8 cores at 5GHZ, there's a far higher chance than of a 5GHZ 8 core than their is an APU with a 270 part lol.

Again with the 28nm FX 8 core part, that's what I'm personally hoping for, but one I find the least likely. Logically I find that watercooler dismissing of the 8 core SR part, because it'll raise the retail price by at least 40 pound, and it's the exact opposite of what AMD want.
We'll see anyway.

Boomstick777 · 22 Jun 2014 at 00:14

Everyone should just prepare for disappointment either way..

We've been here so many times before...

Ryan-3 · 22 Jun 2014 at 00:25

"Requires a 480MM radiator minimum. Delta fans recommended to reduce throttling."

pandem0nium · 22 Jun 2014 at 00:35

Given that they've just rebranded the highest end laptop apus as fx, it'd make sense to do that on the desktop too. My moneys on fm2+, maybe more cores, l3 cache and no igp.

FlanK3r · 22 Jun 2014 at 01:37

You have right, but...
Sometimes you can find great chips, my best FX-9590 is 5.1 GHz stable with H100 Corsair, 5840 MHz validation 4CU/8C with 1.555V.
Second chip I tested witrh undervolting. I got final results around 1.425V for 4700 MHz at FX-9590. Power consumption was -70W

than stock.

humbug · 22 Jun 2014 at 10:09

FlanK3r said:
You have right, but...
Sometimes you can find great chips, my best FX-9590 is 5.1 GHz stable with H100 Corsair, 5840 MHz validation 4CU/8C with 1.555V.
Second chip I tested witrh undervolting. I got final results around 1.425V for 4700 MHz at FX-9590. Power consumption was -70W than stock.

That's a good chip, mine does 4.5 @ 1.41v, but needs 1.45v just for 4.6 and my Sabertooth VRMs start to get a bit warm, the CPU temps are not a problem, even on a £30 Hyper 412S it doesn't get past 65c.

I think one of the problems is the VRMs heating up @ 4.6 (75c) and I have 4 sticks of RAM which apparently makes the CPU more difficult to keep stable in the higher range.

So I'm getting new RAM sticks (just a set of 2) with lower voltage, and then I'm going to rejig my cooling for the VRMs, I might even try to tighten down the VRM cooler on the Sabertooth, its 3 years old and could probably do with a service like that.