National Service

[uksoldierboy]

No it felt like a club 18-30 holiday:confused.

I can appreciate all the psychological BS they put you through to be an efficient soldier and build bonds with your mates so that can be used to make you a better weapon etc etc.

I would never fight, sign up. do service, unless it were a war of survival.

I respect your opinion bud, it's not for everyone.

 

[Sliver]

This sky pixie nonsense really needs to stop, as the people who continually use it don't even seem to realise that all it does is undermine their arguments and points of view.

lol.

Keep living that dream. Since when has using a metaphor EVER undermined an argument ? Ridiculous post. Guessing you're a bible thumper right ? Yeah. Thought so.

 

[Theophany]

Bloody Gladys again. It's always bloody Gladys. I swear, one day I'll poop through her letterbox.

BINGO!! SUCK IT GLADYS!

Err, actually, scrub that last bit.

National pride not being a good thing isn't the opposite of people despising their own country. There's a huge middle ground. Pride in your own country makes little to no sense, as it's dictated by arbitrarily drawn lines on a map, that determines where your pride starts and ends.

I am not proud to be English, I feel fortunate that I am due to the circumstances a lot of other countries have been in but I see no reason to be prideful of that.

I think you're being intentionally difficult to further a point made on the back of a misinterpreted comment. Taking pride in the positives aspects of your nation is not a bad thing. That doesn't mean being willfully ignorant of the problems within that nation.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

I kind of agree with it, in a way.

Start with your usual basic training but then to focus on life skills, respect ... maybe learn first aid, how to build flood defences, survive in the wild, negotiation skills etc

Would be blood in the streets if they forced youngsters to go to war though. This aint North Korea.

As for national pride, that's a very difficult one in a place where politicians give themselves nice raises ....Queen gives herself a 5.7% pay rise, claim "we're all in it together" when the only people suffering are those that work everyday jobs.

If anything, i'm quite proud the people of this nation hasn't sacked Westminster yet and turned it into a crack house.

 

[spoffle]

lol.

Keep living that dream. Since when has using a metaphor EVER undermined an argument ? Ridiculous post. Guessing you're a bible thumper right ? Yeah. Thought so.

No I'm not a bible thumper. Lawd, this is the whole point I had in mind, people like you who feel the need to go on about "sky pixies" are just mostly interested in trying to berate people for having different belief systems than they do.

It's adorable that you've equated that to me some how being a Christian (why Christian specifically?).

 

[spoffle]

BINGO!! SUCK IT GLADYS!

Err, actually, scrub that last bit.



I think you're being intentionally difficult to further a point made on the back of a misinterpreted comment. Taking pride in the positives aspects of your nation is not a bad thing. That doesn't mean being willfully ignorant of the problems within that nation.

I'm certainly not, maybe you have a different interpretation of what national pride means? But really, as I said to be proud of things contained within arbitrarily drawn lines on a map makes little sense.

 

[Mynight]

I'd say the uk borders are pretty definitively drawn not arbitrarily with all the water and all

I'm not really proud to be British as I don't agree with much of the British ways. However if it came to another world war I'd be first in line to volunteer to defend the rights of those who choose to live the way they want.

 

[Theophany]

I'm certainly not, maybe you have a different interpretation of what national pride means? But really, as I said to be proud of things contained within arbitrarily drawn lines on a map makes little sense.

Your post is what makes little sense. A distinct culture and heritage exists and is defined within those drawn lines on a map.

 

[Efour]

Once you guys accept Marxism into your hearts everything becomes clear.

 

[Theophany]

Once you guys accept Marxism into your hearts everything becomes clear.

Once you guys accept Ayn Rand into your hearts everything becomes clear.

 

[bitslice]

The bit I wonder about is the inevitable opt out for the Muslim community. As I'm sure a large proportion of the wars involved would be in Islamic countries. That would screw up the concept of national service straight away.

Not a problem, the UK Shia would fight the Shiite, the UK Shiite would fight the Shia. I think there are a few more flavours but I'm sure they could find an empty room to start a fight in. For some of them it would be saving them the cost of an airline ticket.

This sky pixie nonsense really needs to stop, as the people who continually use it don't even seem to realise that all it does is undermine their arguments and points of view.

I'm fully aware that my arguments (such as they are) are being undermined by the deliberate mocking of retarded cultures

Besides, there is no more appropriate derogatory phrase for believers willing to kill each other, when their differences are no more meaningful than those that separate the Anglicans and the Methodists.

 

[spoffle]

I'd say the uk borders are pretty definitively drawn not arbitrarily with all the water and all

I'm not really proud to be British as I don't agree with much of the British ways. However if it came to another world war I'd be first in line to volunteer to defend the rights of those who choose to live the way they want.

Sure, but what about the counties that make up the UK?

Your post is what makes little sense. A distinct culture and heritage exists and is defined within those drawn lines on a map.

Let's not pretend my post doesn't make sense just because you don't agree with it, yeah?

I don't equate culture and heritage to be the same as national pride.

 

[spoffle]

Not a problem, the Shia would fight the ****e, the ****e would fight the Shia. I think there are a few more flavours but I'm sure they could find an empty room to start a fight in. For some of them it would be saving them the cost of a airline ticket.


I'm fully aware that my arguments (such as they are) are being undermined by the deliberate mocking of retarded cultures

Besides, there is no more appropriate derogatory phrase for believers willing to kill each other, when their differences are no more meaningful than those that separate the Anglicans and the Methodists.

But I've noticed you use it towards people who have those sort of beliefs in general, when we're not talking about the nut jobs killing people "Because god", so why do you feel the need to almost be universally derogatory towards them regardless?

 

[Mynight]

Not a problem, the Shia would fight the Shiite, the Shiite would fight the Shia. I think there are a few more flavours but I'm sure they could find an empty room to start a fight in. For some of them it would be saving them the cost of an airline ticket.

Lol love that it's censored. You are most likely right but would you want a potential sympathiser watching your back?

Sure, but what about the counties that make up the UK.

They're not real countries so doesn't matter too much

Besides I thought territory lines were drawn via mutual agreement or via allocation following war.

 

[Theophany]

Let's not pretend my post doesn't make sense just because you don't agree with it, yeah?

I don't equate culture and heritage to be the same as national pride.

It's not pretending anything, you have an opinion and that's fine, but you seem to be intentionally confusing so many different issues that one has to wonder just what it is you're blathering about and what value it adds to the thread.

 

[bitslice]

But I've noticed you use it towards people who have those sort of beliefs in general

That was probably accidental,
I've posted some support for Christianity in other threads (as a cultural and humanistic benefit) and I don't really have an opinion on all the other religions.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

But I've noticed you use it towards people who have those sort of beliefs in general, when we're not talking about the nut jobs killing people "Because god", so why do you feel the need to almost be universally derogatory towards them regardless?

Some people fear what they don't understand, that's all.

I don't understand them neither, and sort of pity them. The rituals spiritual folk put themselves through because they think it makes a difference is quite strange when you truly think about it.

Think starvation season is coming up.... during summer. Why would anyone do that? Lovely lad at work explained it to me in his own way today, but I am still struggling to grasp it.

Besides... until the Vatican release the rest of the Dead Sea Scrolls they have tight under wraps that even the Pope doesn't get to see them, I don't trust any religion. It's sinister.

 

[4T5]

Great idea, Lets train all the Chavs to shoot, Handle weapons. master unarmed combat, stealth tactics, Map reading. Camo skills etc Then release them back onto the streets after a few years in the Forces.

Genius idea.

 

[spoffle]

Lol love that it's censored. You are most likely right but would you want a potential sympathiser watching your back?



They're not real countries so doesn't matter too much

Besides I thought territory lines were drawn via mutual agreement or via allocation following war.

I understand how country boundaries are made, but for the purposes of feeling pride over a geographical location, the lines are arbitrary in that context, as with national pride, you should stop feeling pride about the geographical location once you are over the boundary, even by the smallest amount possible.

It's not pretending anything, you have an opinion and that's fine, but you seem to be intentionally confusing so many different issues that one has to wonder just what it is you're blathering about and what value it adds to the thread.

So you aren't sure what I mean, therefore I am "blathering"? Okay, I see how that works then...

 

[bitslice]

I was wondering what the middle eastern countries felt about their boundaries,
given that some are nomadic and ignore them and some lines were drawn by the British and French to suit ourselves.

Must be hard to have national pride when you are living in an arbitary location on a map.