Im British and Dont understand tipping

good service is when the waiter can read the customer and knows when they require attention and when to leave them in peace a skill very few seem to have mastered

Exactly, there's little need to ask. They should be unobtrusively out the way, but can tell by biddy language etc. If something is wrong. Or notice if you've dropped your cutlery, or notice how fast your are drinking and remember to come over in a timely fashion, not half hour later when you call for them etc.
Off course it al depends at what kevel the place is to what you would expect.
If they need to Harris you, that is bad service.
 
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I don't mind tipping for exceptional service just not normal service. Somebody bringing me food I have purchased doesn't enhance my evening, it simply meets my expectations.

which is how it should be in the UK with the current system, we already pay for it on the bill.
I would still rather it was removed from the bill totally and we decided how god the service was. It would improve service, as if they did a poor job, it would hurt their pay. Where whilst it's all combined into the bill etc. It makes no difference how their service are.
 
That is bad service. Not good service, so yeah understand what good service is and that would be a start.

Don't talk down to me like I don't know what good service is you plonker :mad: I think you're making a great deal out of nothing. As a customer, you should know what you want, and being given what you want is the only point of services, that is all there is to it really. If you want to be treated like royalty when you go for a meal, then that is your prerogative. I, on the other hand, do not desire such pampering. I want to go out with friends/other half and be served what I want (my food and drink) and be left to enjoy my time with the people I intended to spend my time with.
 
just lol, you clearly don't.
Good service you are left alone. so you may want to stop describing good service as getting harassed as it couldn't be further from the truth.
 
Or you know you could admit what you have been describing as good service, is in fact bad service.

I think you misinterpreted what I wrote, but oh well, I CBA to debate the semantics, the matter is fast becoming boring and I truly don't care that much :)
 
The problems some of you are having is cultural, you can't compare hospitality between the UK and US because they function differently.

The hospitality industry in the US pay the servers low wages so they work hard to please their customers to get their tips to top up their pay, their US customers understand this and will pay up to 20% where necessary, sometimes more if you go to the type of restaurants that require certain clientele.

The hospitality industry in the UK is lazy, granted I have excellent servers in the UK and have tipped them American style and verbally showed my appreciation for their dedication because they have gone the extra mile, but these are sadly rare. Typically you go to a place and get sullen servers who don't really care as they don't want to be there, I can only guess they are there because they are students or are struggling to find other jobs. There is little motivation, maybe this is down to poor training and poor managment.
 
I'll tip for meals. Especially if it's a large table or awkward due to being late/ laSt minute etc.

Otherwise I don't tip except offering to keep the change on something as I hate coins.
 
How is it crappy. It's performance related bonus. and it works. As people keep seem to ignore, service in the UK is ****, in America it is very very good.

That's the bottom line.

You either pay the staff more regardless of their performance (UK model), or you have a performance related pay where the client has a large say in their bonus based on the sevice received. Tipping puts much more control in the hands of the client and greatly incentivises staff.

The UK is known as the service desert for a reason!
 
That's the bottom line.

You either pay the staff more regardless of their performance (UK model), or you have a performance related pay where the client has a large say in their bonus based on the sevice received. Tipping puts much more control in the hands of the client and greatly incentivises staff.

The UK is known as the service desert for a reason!

so why is a country without tips where the staff actively refuse them seen as the best country in the world for service by travellers ?
 
so why is a country without tips where the staff actively refuse them seen as the best country in the world for service by travellers ?

Look at Japanese culture. We do not have that culture and never will. Service isn't the only thing Japan does well with due to their culture.

We have a very similar culture to USA and they are very highly ranked for service. Or even Germany, which topping is still common despite having ample pay and service included in the total.
 
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When i think of Japanese i think of Honor and respect so deep they will commit ritual suicide in front of you if they spill your noodles.
 
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Saw this and i thought why on earth do Americans tip so much??

If it were like this as standard in the UK i think id be sick.:p

Why tip someone if they don't deserve it?

Why tip at all? Don't they get Wages?

Yeah its been a while since we had good tip thread.


Next tip ill give will be a poo and a brass letter box.

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Because JPEGs are more heavily compressed than other image formats, their information is more volatile and likely to expand at high speed through an unchecked buffer, poorly allocated resource or any other available system space. I'd guess you're probably losing image data through one of these means.

You see, when you load a JPEG into memory, the EXtra colour Information Format (EXIF) header is loaded into RAM in order to prepare the video prebuffer for the incoming high-speed flow of colour information from the uncorked JPEG. If your bus isn't ready for this information, the rapidly decompressing file information can flow through other parts of your system.

Ordinarily this isn't a problem: as a matter of fact, JPEG was designed for this sort of thing. Older computers couldn't handle the explosive power behind the fledgeling image decompression algorithm, so rather than fight it, image experts invented the Jampacked Picture Extraction and Gathering (JPEG) protocol. They cleverly decided to allow the image data to spray wherever it would, knowing that after the extraction phase would send raw data all over the inside of the computer, the gathering phase would locate it all and reassemble it into an image. With the advent of faster computers the delay between spray and collection is so small as to be unnoticeable, while newer and bigger video cards are more capable of withstanding the onslaught of colours.

Still, the primary weakness of this algorithm is the haphazard placement of decompressed data. There's just too much of it to channel through normal means, so any loss of data containment results in corrupted images. In your case, it would appear that you're losing image data through the empty hole where your goddamned comma key should be.
 
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Years ago i delivered about 10 drinks to a hotel room. When they opened the door it was Southampton footballers overnighting before a match, they were playing cards for stupid amounts of money, £50 notes littering the place.

They didn't even give me a quid as a tip the tight gits.
 
I travelled parts of the US recently and had no idea who I was meant to tip.

Paying the baggage person at each hotel began to annoy me. I could put my suitcase in the lift and have it straight away or pay the dude for my case and get it 30 minutes later :(
 
I travelled parts of the US recently and had no idea who I was meant to tip.

Paying the baggage person at each hotel began to annoy me. I could put my suitcase in the lift and have it straight away or pay the dude for my case and get it 30 minutes later :(

only worth it if your rich with tons of bags then and don't mind waiting 30mins in your room :D

someone should do a social experiment smart casual vs stupidly expensive suit guy and see who gets the best service
 
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