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Intel pledges Skylake ramp in 2015: Intel to begin manufacturing its Skylake processors in 2015

When is Skylake expected to completely take over Haswell-E and Broadwell-E performance wise at the extreme high end?

Everything I have looked at suggests that Haswell-E and Broadwell-E will be the top high end processors all through 2015.
 
What is the point of Broadwell at this point juncture?

It's going to be very quickly superseded by Skylake and we already have Haswell. Certainly I don't think there would be any point to a Broadwell-E.
 
Dave2150 said:
Yes, though I'm sure Broadwell/Skylake will also be using DDR4 (much greater bandwidth, density) and possible 6 or 8 cores on the mainstream CPU's.
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I highly doubt they'll have 6 or 8 cores on the mainstream chips by then. Maybe the new chip launched after Skylake.

Until 8 core chips are standard on the enthusiast chips (think Skylake-E) then it won't be on the mainstream chips as it will just cannibalise sales from it.
 
Yeah it's unlikely Skylake and potentially even it's successor as a result will be more than quad core on the mainstream socket.
 
Orangey said:
What is the point of Broadwell at this point juncture?

It's going to be very quickly superseded by Skylake and we already have Haswell. Certainly I don't think there would be any point to a Broadwell-E.
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I think the point of Broadwell-E is to replace the Haswell-E at the top
high end which will be a bit faster and will run much cooler due to it
being on a 14nm process.

I doubt next year's Skylake releases will take over it until it's high end
6 and 8 core parts comes out which is unknown at this time.
 
I expect it'll be at least a year after Broadwell so for me it'll depend on when that hits. If it makes this year I think Skylake will make 2015, if not then 2016.

Doesn't matter to me, I'm currently Ivy Bridge and will go Broadwell then skip Skylake for Cannonlake.
 
Yeah, I remember when this was first discussed a year or two a go. Can't understand why they would want to do this. Making the upgrade path a bigger pain, especially as you're now forcing a motherboard upgrade would surely mean that people are less likely to upgrade. Though I suspect that since it seems there is a new socket per generation anyway what difference does it make!
 
Well lets face it, the performance increase's between different groups of processors have not been huge. Pick up a high level BGA packaged CPU/Motherboard and keep it for 3 or 4 years.
 
Aye I'm at the point now of thinking of upgrading only once 6core becomes mainstream, 8core and so on. The actual per core gains now are fairly small.
 
I can see Skylake being a big nothing and then the first BGA chip to have all the held back power from previous gens so Intel can force people to go along with it. It's not like you can protest effectively by buying AMD, you'll only be hurting yourself.
 
Do you get any gains yet from going from 4 cores to 6 cores or even 8 with the enthusiast platforms? I am really looking out to see what Haswell - e will do compared to DC but i wont hold my breath. Just that skylake sounds promising, especially for a person like me who doesn't upgrade that often (still on 775 socket :P).
 
apostolis_kt said:
Do you get any gains yet from going from 4 cores to 6 cores or even 8 with the enthusiast platforms? I am really looking out to see what Haswell - e will do compared to DC but i wont hold my breath. Just that skylake sounds promising, especially for a person like me who doesn't upgrade that often (still on 775 socket :P).
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Yes for workstation environments, video encoding and benchmarking etc the enthusiast platform has massive advantage over the mainstream stuff. Haswell -E 8 cores will solidify this even more, 8 VS 4 Haswell cores will see massive advantage in those areas.

If it's just gaming / media / web browsing the mainstream quad-cores Z77 Z97 etc are spot on.

Depending on how well Haswell -E clocks up, Z77, Z97 might still have advantage in gaming, as 4 higher clocked (8 threaded) CPU cores will likely be more beneficial to gaming than 6/8 lower clocked ones. In the future games may take advantage of more than 2, 4 cores, but that still seems a long way off. By then mainstream 6, 8 cores will likely be available anyway.
 
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colinmcr said:
Well life will be very different with once we get round to Skymont.

BGA packages ....... :(
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I'm not really concerned about this from an upgrade perspective; as Jokester already pointed out, performance increases between generations are so small and socket changes so frequent that buying a board with intent to slot in an upgrade has been unrealistic for some time now.

What concerns me more however is what effect it will have on those of us who lap the CPU heat spreader or remove it to replace the thermal paste, as it is almost certain to be much more difficult if not infeasible to do so on a BGA package processor.
 
Probably means the age of the real enthusiast is dying. Seems like Intel are preparing the way for BGA and realistically things like lapping were only done out of necessity. If parts become more integrated it may remove the need to tinker at all. Would be a shame as for some that's the real interest.
 
IR reflow stations will become a lot more popular ;)

People send off their xbox mobo to friendly engineers for this service, usually costing about £50 all in, depending on whether new parts are needed.
 
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