what double standards?
its all clothing intended to hide the face blaclavas etc
No where does the law say anything specific about islam or niqabs or anythign just that you cant wear clothing to intentionaly hide your face.
Europe upholds French ban of the Niqab
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what double standards?
its all clothing intended to hide the face blaclavas etc
No where does the law say anything specific about islam or niqabs or anythign just that you cant wear clothing to intentionaly hide your face.
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Nowwhere in the post I replied to were you talking about this mythical female protester.
It's not my fault that you feel personally butthurt that most of Europe doesn't like muslims and are enacting similar laws.
Go away, stop talking to me and put me on ignore please.
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I can't help but think if it was the UK that banned it then it'd no doubt be overturned. Then again since when have the French ever bothered with what Europe tells them? We just moan they just ignore it.
From what I recall, the wearing of the niqab/hijab isn't actually required in Islam but seems to be a more cultural thing. It is enforced in Islamic countries. It isn't enforced by the Qu'Ran.
Not sure whether it should be banned or not though. I'm usually of the opinion that people should be allowed to wear pretty much anything they want (obviously some limit on what they can wear though), yet at the same time understand why some people wouldn't feel entirely comfortable talking with someone who wears it in the same that you won't feel comfortable with someone who has a mask on. Granted they're worn for different reasons, but usually in these countries people who hide their faces are usually accused of hiding something. Cultural differences and whatnot.
From what I recall, the wearing of the niqab/hijab isn't actually required in Islam but seems to be a more cultural thing. It is enforced in Islamic countries. It isn't enforced by the Qu'Ran.
Not sure whether it should be banned or not though. I'm usually of the opinion that people should be allowed to wear pretty much anything they want (obviously some limit on what they can wear though), yet at the same time understand why some people wouldn't feel entirely comfortable talking with someone who wears it in the same that you won't feel comfortable with someone who has a mask on. Granted they're worn for different reasons, but usually in these countries people who hide their faces are usually accused of hiding something. Cultural differences and whatnot.
replace niqab with balaclava and woman with man and do you disagree with it then?
seriously crater would you be annoyed if a bus driver or a shop owner refused service to someone wearing this
replace niqab with balaclava and woman with man and do you disagree with it then?
seriously crater would you be annoyed if a bus driver or a shop owner refused service to someone wearing this
I couldn't have put it better my self.
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Why not replace it with a Hyena in a ski mask? Because they are two different scenarios with different implications in regards to both aspects.
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how are they different?
please enlighten me how a law abiding man in a balaclava is different to a law abiding woman in a niab?
as far as im aware the law only applies to humans.
I bet she's happy! 
People should be free to wear what they want in public within reason, if it's a very cold day then I would like the option of wearing a balaclava or some other face covering to keep me warm!!
Obviously in high risk / security areas (Banks, Airports, Courts, Private business ,,,etc ....etc) then a complete ban of ALL face covering IS reasonable and necessary .
People should be free to wear what they want in public within reason, if it's a very cold day then I would like the option of wearing a balaclava or some other face covering to keep me warm!!
Obviously in high risk / security areas (Banks, Airports, Courts, Private business ,,,etc ....etc) then a complete ban of ALL face covering IS reasonable and necessary .
Right, I'm now confused. Does the law specify niqabs or is it generally all face coverings as you say? I was getting ready to retract what I said about a misleading thread title but this has made me think I was right!
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Because they are two completely different garments of clothing worn for completely different reasons and by different people.
Abuse against women by men has greater risk and ramifications involved.
Hence why comparing a woman in a veil to a bloke in a balaclava is disingenuous.
a child in fancy dress
The sensible thing to do in this case would to seek identification where needed and move on, if identification isn't required again move on. If the person refuses to identify themselves then fair enough. I don't need to identify every person I sell a bagel too nor do I want to read their facial expressions to understand how they feel about said bagel.
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no they are not
all face coverings.
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hence why the human rights court had to uphold it as it applies to EVERYONE and is not discriminatory or focusing on one group.
indeed which is one of the campain points for this law due to the abuse forced on islamic women by islamic men forcing them to wear these garments.
but sure we'll remove the gender if you like.
please tell me how a law abiding citizen wearing a balaclava is not ok but a law abiding citizen wearing a niqab is ok?
Cheers for the clarification Tefal.
I state again, misleading thread title!
Crater, whilst you're right about the reasons for the covering being different what you're missing is ultimately the outcome is the same.
The outcome is the reason for the ban.
I state again, misleading thread title!
Crater, whilst you're right about the reasons for the covering being different what you're missing is ultimately the outcome is the same.
The outcome is the reason for the ban.
yes they are, and this was easy enough to check?
Exemptions from ban on public face covering
- Motorcycle helmets
- Face masks for health reasons
- Face covering for sporting or professional activities
- Sunglasses, hats etc which do not completely hide the face
- Masks used in "traditional activities", such as carnivals or religious processions
indeed the reason for the balaclava is that you're cold the reason for the niqab is you deliberately want to conceal your face.
So really the balaclava is much more acceptable.
yes which would be the excluding circumstances. France has mandatory motorcycle helmet laws like us iirc. so they obviously cant ban them while on bikes but you will be asked to remove it off your cycle.
and the others are again only applicable during the sporting event/traditional activity. not day to day life.
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I'm embarrassed to admit that my 45 year old cousin admits that she is scared because they are going to blow her up every time she sees one.
I asked her how many times they have blown up people in the UK and she said '100s'
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So to solve the issue non Islamic men force women to remove said garments against their will
nice logic thereYou do realise this law has been passed in France not some middle east country where women would be forced? You do realise less than 2000 women in France wear a veil and large percentage of them western educated converts? You do realise a significant proportion of women in France choose to wear the veil?
Shall we ban sex because sometimes men rape?
So now that is out of the way
As before they are two different garments of clothing, I cant compare two incomparable things. Like I said before
The sensible thing to do in this case would to seek identification where needed and move on, if identification isn't required again move on. If the person refuses to identify themselves then fair enough. I don't need to identify every person I sell a bagel too nor do I want to read their facial expressions to understand how they feel about said bagel.
