Rolf Harris arrested on sexual charges

Are there actual details released about what he did to these girls other than "sexually assaulted" them?

Maybe you have me on ignore but i just posted the reddit link to the counts. Unfortunately i think i was right a total joke of a trial. I am far from a rape apologist.. But getting 6 months for touching a girl in an autograph queue in full view of other people is outrageous. Every santa that has had children sat in his lap deserve a life sentence then and all with zero evidence. In saying that santa are no longer allowed to have children sat on their laps and they are looking to replace them with women santas in a lot of areas.

This is a win for feminism and is a slap in the face for all the real victims of abuse and rape out there. All those "victims" are looking forward to compensation as nothing says justice like £70 000.
 
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Maybe you have me on ignore but i just posted the reddit link to the counts. Unfortunately i think i was right a total joke of a trial. I am far from a rape apolgist, in fact i am an abuse victim myself. But getting 6 months for touching a girl in an autograph queue in full view of other people is outrageous. Every santa that has had chidren sat in his lap deserve a life sentence then and all with zero evidence. In saying that santa are no longer allowed to have children sat on their laps and they are looking to replace them with women santas in a lot of areas.

Thia is a win for feminism and is a slap in thew face for all thw real victims of abuse and rape out there. All those "victims" are looking forward to compensation as nothing says justice like £70 000.

Nope, no one on my ignore list, I just missed your post. Thanks :)
 
not sure if already posted, some guy on reddit posted the counts.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...sentenced_to_69_months_for_abusing_12/ciodrij

If that's a reasonable, mostly unbiased report of the facts then it explains a few things, like why the news reporting through the trial seemed to suggest the claims all seemed to be worthless.

Was it the daughters friend that claimed he assaulted her on a holiday while she was sunbathing, which the defence then showed made no sense as the jetty would have been in the shade at that part of the day?

On the other hand I read that the claims from the daughters friend were backed up by therapist noted going back 15 years. whether that was just the post 18 stuff or an earlier age range I don't know.

Does he get the chance to appeal this conviction?
 
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and if all that is true, then hes been set up big time and the justice system in this country has once again proven what a shambles it is.

Witness changing her statement, you have to be questioning the jury when they give the guilty strike for that one!

He writes a letter apologising to a victim, and yet you think he has been "set up", LOL.

Look how far rape apologists go to defend rapists.
 
He writes a letter apologising to a victim, and yet you think he has been "set up", LOL.

Look how far rape apologists go to defend rapists.

You really need to stop brandishing people 'rape apologists', it really doesn't help your arguments (rants).

Being objective when discussing matters such as this is a skill that you seem to lack, above all else truth and justice is what is most important, it's not about defending 'rape' or 'sexual assault', it's about giving what we believe in today's society is a fair and just trial and making sure the correct sentences apply fairly to the crimes committed.
 
It is a great shame these things are coming out now about various celebs. And of course what he did was horrific and should be punished.

But I am curious - how do these trials work ? Surely there is not any physical evidence for things that happened 30-50 years ago, so in UK law it must come down to what someone says about someone else? How does a court handle this ?

I am confused it took so long for anyone to step forward, also how did it happen? Did a victim of his wake up one morning and say 'im now going to the police about this' decades later ? It's all a bit weird and im genuinly curious how the law handles such things, because it essentially comes down to one persons word vs another (unless he admitted doing it ? I dont know if he did)

Im not defending him, im confused as to how the case is handled........on the one hand he was found guilty and if true, he should be punished, in an alternate universe the jury may have decided a group of women who had **** lives (drink drugs etc) decided they just picked him out to blame him for their troubles and jumped on band wagons, or perhaps these women were victims of saville and now he is dead they wanted someone of that era to suffer etc etc.

How does a court decide?

Again; he has now been found guilty for he defo should be sent to prison, I am just trying to understand how they prosecute someone based on witness statements alone?
 
You really need to stop brandishing people 'rape apologists', it really doesn't help your arguments (rants).

Being objective when discussing matters such as this is a skill that you seem to lack, above all else truth and justice is what is most important, it's not about defending 'rape' or 'sexual assault', it's about giving what we believe in today's society is a fair and just trial and making sure the correct sentences apply fairly to the crimes committed.

When all the evidence points towards sexual assault, and people try and say that sexual assault is ok and natural and everyone does it, or they try and claim that the sexual assault that happened didn't happen, it is enabling rape culture.
 
You really need to stop brandishing people 'rape apologists', it really doesn't help your arguments (rants).

Being objective when discussing matters such as this is a skill that you seem to lack, above all else truth and justice is what is most important, it's not about defending 'rape' or 'sexual assault', it's about giving what we believe in today's society is a fair and just trial and making sure the correct sentences apply fairly to the crimes committed.

You're claiming a convinced rapist was "set up" and that makes you a rape apologist. It's as simple as that.
 
you touch a kid and you're a monster. You kill you're 2 kids and you have post natal depression and you go to a mental hospital till you get better:s
 
Doesn't seem like the lengthiest sentence that could have been handed down. It seems these days that those who commit fraud get worse sentences than killers/rapists etc.

Maybe the legal system should start valuing peoples lives more so than money.
 
Have people talking about the length of the sentence missed this:

Harris was prosecuted based on the law when his offences were committed, when the maximum sentence for indecent assault was two years in prison, or five years for victims under 13.

There just seems to be people comparing his crimes to similar crimes committed more recently.
 
He writes a letter apologising to a victim, and yet you think he has been "set up", LOL.

Look how far rape apologists go to defend rapists.

He wrote a letter to the father of one of the "victims" saying they had an affair when she was 18-28ish... Which was not up for discussion in the case at all, other than the fact he admitted to having a (consensual according to the letter) sexual relationship with her when she was of age.

Not that I necessarily think he has been set up, rather that the idea the letter proves anything he's not admitting to is completely wrong.
 
He had indecent images of child on his computer. That sealed it.

Ahhhh right, well yeah that's the evidence then, I assume those with the witness statements led to his convinction, in which case, justice has been served !! Shame a childhood hero to many turned out to also be this evil person :mad:

The indecent images case was not heard in court and is/was a separate case against him that the jury were not told about. It had nothing to do, or at least should't have had anything to do with, this trial.

As an aside it's not quite as clear cut as that anyway. An informative piece in the guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/04/rolf-harris-websites-indecent-images-children

Rolf Harris browsed websites showing images of girls believed to be as young as 13, it can now be reported following his conviction for indecent assault.

When detectives examined the 84-year-old entertainer's desktop computer after they searched his home in Bray, Berkshire, in 2012 while investigating historical claims of indecent assault, they discovered he had visited websites with such names as "My little nieces", "Tiny teen girlfriends" and "Russian girlfriends".

They also found a note in Harris's diary, in his handwriting, with instructions on how to delete the history on his internet browser programme.

Harris was charged with four counts of making indecent images of children – the notion of "making" an image, based on a 1978 law, also includes viewing them on a computer – as well as the 12 counts of indecent assault on which he was unanimously convicted by a jury at Southwark crown court on Monday.

However, the 84-year-old Australian-born entertainer never entered a plea on the indecent images charges as his lawyers sought to have them dismissed by the court. At a hearing shortly before the trial Harris's lawyers successfully persuaded the judge, Mr Justice Sweeney, that the four charges should be severed from the other counts, a legal term meaning they would be tried separately, if at all.

Harris's lawyers argued that they needed several more weeks to complete their defence on the indecent images charges, describing a long process in which private investigators sought to see ID cards of the models posing on the websites, many of whom were based in the Ukraine, to prove they were over 18. Faced with a choice of delaying a major trial, with the administrative chaos and attendant costs this would bring, or severing the charges, the judge had no option and the jury heard nothing about the images.

The Crown Prosecution Service will, in the wake of the other convictions, no longer proceed with the indecent images charges, prosecution QC Sasha Wass told the court on Friday.

The separation of the charges was seen as a major setback for the prosecution, who hoped to use the evidence about Harris's internet habits to support its wider argument that he had a sexual interest in very young women and girls. The charges on which Harris was eventually convicted covered victims aged from about eight upwards.

Harris's defence team argued this was precisely the reason why they should not be mentioned. The images would "infect the rest of the case", the defence barrister, Simon Ray, told the court. Ray also argued that Harris's browsing showed "no obvious minors" and no evidence of deliberate intent, since many images of the youngest-looking models seemingly appeared unprompted on websites visited by the star.

But Wass said some of the models involved were "extremely young in appearance" and were posing with props such as teddy bears. Expert examination of "very graphic" images of one girl's genitalia appeared to show she was aged 13 or under, Wass said.

Harris had searched online for terms such as "just teens" and "younger girls", Wass added.

Basically there were four images that may (or may not) have been of underage girls which appear to have been automatically downloaded. So basically he viewed a site with them on but didn't physically download them.

I love the idea that knowing how to delete your history is a case against him... Every male over the age of about 13 knows how to delete their history (and I'm guessing a significant proportion of girls as well). :p
 
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When all the evidence points towards sexual assault, and people try and say that sexual assault is ok and natural and everyone does it, or they try and claim that the sexual assault that happened didn't happen, it is enabling rape culture.

Rape culture doesn't exist, a select few individuals being rapists and people expecting proof before handing out convictions does not a rape culture make. Strange how in this rape culture we live in rape is almost universally seen as a vile despicable act.

What percentage of people in here or anywhere say that sexual assault is natural and fine and that everyone does it. You see one person make a statement and use that as proof that it's a commonly held opinion despite the fact that no one else agrees with them. Rape culture indeed.
 
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