The end of Plasma

Glaucus · 6 Jul 2014 at 17:19

al4x said:
This for me too
I don't want to buy a new TV before a year at least. But this may force my hand.
If oled doesn't come in time and my plasma goes I will be more than irritated to have to downgrade

Oh do something even better, just replace it when you want. It's not like the second hand market will disappear. there will always be second hand plasma for the foreseeable future and you'll get it at like 50% off and can get the last model ever released.

413x · 6 Jul 2014 at 17:21

Glaucus said:
o you say that for every appliance?

And then end up paying like twice as much per month as everything inefficient?

It's not about getting a bone about thickness, it's how to maximise floor space, in tiny uk rooms. Which means wall mounting and thinness so they take up as little space as possible.

Then the worst thing about plasma I haven't mentioned, who in this day and age wants to break in a product.

Yes there are many benefits to plasma, but it's hardly surprising they haven't sold well for some time.

This is different for power consumption. I'm more than happy to pay a higher running cost for better experience. A power saving with no loss is fine. But as with a car. I will pay more as I get more

Break in is a one time thing. And it's not like it is even needed now I thought?

I also thought a lot of people would have a tv unit and actually not many do wall mount

413x · 6 Jul 2014 at 17:22

Glaucus said:
Oh do something even better, just replace it when you want. It's not like the second hand market will disappear. there will always be second hand plasma for the foreseeable future and you'll get it at like 50% off and can get the last model ever released.

Second hand market may look very different soon

Flopsy · 6 Jul 2014 at 17:34

Jez said:
I must be about the only person who thinks that wall mounting a TV is the height of naff. For me it sits on a Tv unit in the corner of the room on its stand, it could weigh 100KG and be 4" deep and it would make no difference.

I guess i am in the minority

A minority of 2. I know countless people who bought a tv, took it home, looked at the wall while standing up and thought "that looks about right" after fixing the TV to the wall they then sit down and refuse to admit they've made a mistake. If you want to stand up and watch TV or crane your neck upwards to watch it then go to Wetherspoons.
I have a Panny X50B with a 5 year warranty, it's got plenty of life left in it and I'll only change unless I see a bargain full HD Panny or when the next super duper technology is far enough down the line to be cheap enough and out long enough to be stabilised.
Wall mounts can have their merits but I think they fall into the £30 gold plated HDMI cable category of bumping the TV price up for a bit of extra profit for curry's etc

james.miller · 6 Jul 2014 at 17:44

Glaucus said:
Same post, not further in the thread. It isn't a clanger at all and if you can't tell that's an exaggeration post, then.... Most people aren't video buffs, and really don't care about the difference in image quality, they do care about thickness, weight, electrical usage, heat etc. I am a film buff and still wouldn't have one, due to those reasons. Rather sacrifice quality for convenience.

Different post. You can't read your own posts now? And exaggeration? Just NO. go compare the weight of the Samsung 60" plasma that was mentioned in this thread to Sony's current crop of LCDs and you'll find the plasma is actually lighter....

So yes, another clanger from glaucus.

Glaucus · 6 Jul 2014 at 17:48

And lets not forget, declining sales, declining profits and more importantly[/QUOTE]

james.miller said:
Different post. You can't read your own posts now? And exaggeration? Just NO. go compare the weight of the Samsung 60" plasma that was mentioned in this thread to Sony's current crop of LCDs and you'll find the plasma is actually lighter....

So yes, another clanger from glaucus.

Really?
First post

Glaucus said:
Or perhaps people want thin TV's that don't take up room, don't need the wall being reinforced and don't have to take a mortgagee out to pay for the electric.

the real culprit is likely an increasing focus on 4K, and an inability to manufacture higher-res plasma sets for the mass market.

Click to expand...

So you focus on just one point, rather than the accumulative issues.
So yeah rethink who can read.

james.miller · 6 Jul 2014 at 18:01

Glaucus said:
So you focus on just one point, rather than the accumulative issues.

So yeah rethink who can read.

The full quote was in your next post. Shame on me. Rather try to cling on to something as insignificant as that and ignore the other points made, maybe you should just rethink some of the crap you seem to be writing these days. ie.:

Or perhaps people want thin TV's that [1]don't take up room, [2]don't need the wall being reinforced and [3]don't have to take a mortgagee out to pay for the electric.

you know, stuff like that.

Weight isnt the issue it was 5 years ago. That 60" Samsung for example is lighter than my 50" panasonic 50pz80 which was 2008/2009 i think? obviously its far thinner, smaller bezels etc. electricity costs as well, no really much in it these days. plasmas still cost more of course but its the difference between £2.50 and £4.00 a month, based roughly on 200w / 90h month (lcd) vs 300w / 90h month (plasma) @ 14.9 kwh. Ballpark figures, YMMV, but you get the idea. The point is, if you need a reinforced wall for a modern plasma, then you'll need that wall for any equivalent sized LCD. and if running costs are that much of an issue oven a modern lcd, then you shouldn't be buying a tv at all.

Public perception of plasma technology is still stuck in 2008, i think. that wont change now but it wouldn't matter if it did because of the production costs. Its a shame, they seem to be at a bit of a dead ened with large format display technology. Oled is stalling, as we feared, probably because of productions costs as well but also the technology isn't reliable enough. Screenburn and image persistence, despite early oled tv adopters claiming otherwise, is still a big problem for the technology because of the difference in lifespan of the red, green and blue oleds. So oled is out of the question right now. The trouble is we need a light emitting technology of some kind to take over. Like Phycho Sonny said, backlit by nature will probably never catch up to the black levels / performance at black and contrast to any light emitting technology.

V F · 6 Jul 2014 at 18:53

How many of you watch your TV with lights out? For films… and if you don't, how bright is the room usually at night?

I've also seen people comment how they've had friends over and commented how great their TV was. Including black levels. They also couldn't get over how deep the picture was and then they became shocked it was a Plasma.

Their friends commented how it became a regular occurrence how they were visiting their friends place to watch films on the Plasma. As they then admitted how their LCD's weren't as good as they thought.

Raymond Lin · 6 Jul 2014 at 19:08

I watch TV in the dark, even in the day (curtain shut), put back LED light on.

andy_mk3 · 6 Jul 2014 at 19:25

I am very pleased with my 50" LG Plasma that I bought last year. The PQ from a good BD source is absolutely amazing. While I'm all for 4k, I see absolutely no point just yet. And SD sources on it look so much better on there than any LCD I've seen. I won't be upgrading now for a few years, when something can better it for the same sort of money.

elmuzzy66. · 6 Jul 2014 at 19:45

V F said:
How many of you watch your TV with lights out? For films… and if you don't, how bright is the room usually at night?

I've also seen people comment how they've had friends over and commented how great their TV was. Including black levels. They also couldn't get over how deep the picture was and then they became shocked it was a Plasma.

Their friends commented how it became a regular occurrence how they were visiting their friends place to watch films on the Plasma. As they then admitted how their LCD's weren't as good as they thought.

I have a led around the back of my tv. With the led emitting white light it reduced the eye strain and makes the iq better. Thats all imo off course others might not have the same experience.

Freefaller · 7 Jul 2014 at 16:34

Raymond Lin said:
Time to pick up the stock clearance then!

That's what I'm hoping for!

Warbie · 7 Jul 2014 at 17:58

james.miller said:
Public perception of plasma technology is still stuck in 2008, i think.

To be fair, this is just as true of many plasma owners in regards to LED. They fail to appreciate that the technology has come on massively in recent years - much more so than plasma has. The current crop of plasma panels aren't much better than some old Panasonic or Pioneer panels going way back, where as the best LEDs are hardly comparable to the smeartastic sets we has back in the day. The gap has closed to the extent that my current TV is a Sony LED, and I wouldn't trade it for any plasma. When deciding on what panel to get I was outputting to both the Sony and a current Panny plasma to do direct comparisons and the Sony came out comfortably on top for my needs, breaking a combo of about 5 plasma sets in a row. I'm not saying it's the better tech, but the gap had closed enough to make the choice quite tricky and down to specific requirements.

V F · 8 Jul 2014 at 10:58

What is your current Sony?

Warbie · 8 Jul 2014 at 11:13

It's a KDL55W905A.

:(Rhodri:) · 8 Jul 2014 at 11:26

V F said:
A long time. Most LCD's reviewed today aren't getting below 0.04 MLL or breaking 3000:1 contrast ratio. Most are averaging 2000:1 - 2500:1.

As Plasma is hitting 5000:1 to 40000:1 and as low as 0.003 MLL.

I agree completely, my post didn't make it very clear but I don't expect LCD will likely ever catch plasma in terms of pure IQ (ignoring 4k), as the technology itself isn't well suited to getting super low black levels.

I believe manufacturers are currently using LCD screens as a cheap and mass produced stopgap until OLED screen technology matures, so they've jumped ship from the rapidly declining plasma market early, before it loses them money.

Warbie · 8 Jul 2014 at 11:36

There's more to image quality than contrast ratio. I agree tho - there's no LED that can match a decent plasma when it comes to depth of image and black levels (although the same is true when you compare plasma to CRT). My issue with plasmas are the video nasties it never seemed to fix - phosphor lag, dithering etc - where as LCD/LED has improved considerably in the areas it was weak in. While it hasn't caught up with plasma in contrast, motion etc they aren't far off now - just without these glaring (for me) flaws. Of course there's backlight bleed and all sorts of other issues that plague both technologies. Much comes down to personal preference, but right now for an all round panel a top end LED edges it for me.

Craterloads · 8 Jul 2014 at 11:47

Sold my Pana GT50 a few months back after around 8 months of ownership for exactly the same amount I bought it for which I thought was a bit odd, now I know why.

Best TV I owned, picture was so natural, fluid and the blacks were blacks. LG LCD in comparison is shocking poor, greyish.

Begbie · 9 Jul 2014 at 00:30

V F said:
How many of you watch your TV with lights out? For films… and if you don't, how bright is the room usually at night?

I've also seen people comment how they've had friends over and commented how great their TV was. Including black levels. They also couldn't get over how deep the picture was and then they became shocked it was a Plasma.

Their friends commented how it became a regular occurrence how they were visiting their friends place to watch films on the Plasma. As they then admitted how their LCD's weren't as good as they thought.

Had this many times with my Plasma, even a mate who quite often refuses to be wrong. He'd not long bought a Sony LCD and walked into my room gob smacked at how good it was.

We both thought his Sony looked incredible untill I got a Plasma.

Zeed · 13 Jul 2014 at 20:32

Jez ur not alone. I dont like wall mounted TVs i like huge TV in small room.

I like Heavy tVs ****ing thiefs have problems then. Its to easy to steal 20kg tv !!!

Power consumption ?? Who cares about that when you have 2 overclocked PCs running in house almost 24/7

One thing i find stunning is people thinking that LED tv is not same **** as LCD.... **** meh its same crap with different light source. Its like people used to call any big flat screen LCDs Plasmas LOL

Begbie people think they got best ** No disguised swearing ** DA LED and then they see panasonic plasma in pitch plack room. And they are ;(