Peadophiles in the House of Commons

elmarko · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:34

asim18 said:
No. But homosexuality used to be regarded as similar to paedophilia by more people.

Yes, stupid people who couldn't understand the very important differences between the two.

asim18 said:
Now due to the availability of media, the reality is that homosexuality is getting far more advertised and acceptable.

The reason homosexuality is gaining acceptance in society is because it causes no objective harm - once people move away from either religious of bigotry based reasons there are no other reasons to be against it.

Paedophilia on the other hand involves a party which is unable to give consent & is fundamentally abusive & has a strongly evidence backed history of causing harm.

asim18 said:
The high availability of news and media in this day and age will also have a similar effect on paedophilia; more celebrities who were once trusted and regarded exceptional in their respective fields will start getting exposed as paedophiles. Slowly and sadly, people will start accepting it. It has already started with headlines which read "'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males'". That simple phrase and the notion itself have already been implanted in millions of people's subconscious.

This will not happen because of the above points.

asim18 said:
This media generation and everything it brings is causing the world to become perverse at an exponential rate. The TV industry created a platform for paedophiles to quench their desires, and then they shoot us while were down by saying paedo's are normal.

What I'm trying to say is humanity is on a path of self destruction. The ability for ideas to communicate globally and reach massive audiences will exponentially accelerate that inevitability.

No, we are just more aware of the frailties & failings in our society than we were before.

Murder, rape & paedophilia have been around as long as we have - with religions permitting & supporting many of them over time. I'd argue the chances of being raped & abused in our modern information secular society are lower now than they have ever been in history.

Just look at the developing world as an example.

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:35

Haggisman said:
However the way the word "normal" is used in the article that people are referring to implies that it is a majority.

It may be "normal" for that minority, but that doesn't mean it is "normal" in the grand scheme of things.

You could say that it is "normal" for murderers to kill people - however that doesn't mean it is normal to kill people - the word normal only applies to the murderer minority.

It would have been more accurate for the article to state "it is normal for the minority of men who are attracted to children to be attracted to children"...

yeah but thats just stating the obvious and seems like a stupid thing to say tbh. where as this article has done exactly what it was supposed to, causing large amounts of debate on the subject

D.P. · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:40

Haggisman said:
However the way the word "normal" is used in the article that people are referring to implies that it is a majority.

It may be "normal" for that minority, but that doesn't mean it is "normal" in the grand scheme of things.

You could say that it is "normal" for murderers to kill people - however that doesn't mean it is normal to kill people - the word normal only applies to the murderer minority.

It would have been more accurate for the article to state "it is normal for the minority of men who are attracted to children to be attracted to children"...

It is normal for people to have blue eyes but blue eyed people are a minority.
It is normal to have red hair but red haired people are a minority.

It is natural and normal that a minority of people commit murder.
It is natural and normal that if you come home form work and find your wife cheating on you with the plumber that you get angry. It is natural and normal that a small minority of people dont control their anger appropriately and murder the plumber (and possibly wife).

It is normal that a small minority of people commit murder.

People seem to be confused that labeling something as natural and normal means that it is not a serious crime that needs to be prevented.

Haggisman · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:42

D.P. said:
It is normal for people to have blue eyes but blue eyed people are a minority.
It is normal to have red hair but red haired people are a minority.

It is natural and normal that a minority of people commit murder.
It is natural and normal that if you come of form work and find your wife cheating on you with the plumber that you get angry. It is natural and normal that a small minority of people dont control their anger appropriately and murder the plumber (and possibly wife).

It is normal that a small minority of people commit murder.

People seem to be confused that labeling something as natural and normal means that it is not a serious crime that needs to be prevented.

Would you class someone being born with down's syndrome or with 11 fingers as being "normal"?

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:44

D.P. said:
It is normal for people to have blue eyes but blue eyed people are a minority.
It is normal to have red hair but red haired people are a minority.

It is natural and normal that a minority of people commit murder.
It is natural and normal that if you come of form work and find your wife cheating on you with the plumber that you get angry. It is natural and normal that a small minority of people dont control their anger appropriately and murder the plumber (and possibly wife).

It is normal that a small minority of people commit murder.

People seem to be confused that labeling something as natural and normal means that it is not a serious crime that needs to be prevented.

regardless of anyones opinion the law won't change so there's no worries in that front. Preventing it is difficult, some parents are to blame letting it happen, and in some cases it cannot be noticed until the "deed is done" as it were. also on a side note, this whole "pedo" situation/ problem has caused society to fundamently shift in its views. years ago you could walk down the street and say hi to someone and their kids without being acused of being a pedo, nowadays, hardly anyone talks, says hi even local communities have changed partly as a result of this.

Haggisman said:
Would you class someone being born with down's syndrome or with 11 fingers as being "normal"?

yes!!! despite of differences everyoine is normal, because everyone is unique. You cant judge someone for having downs or 11 finger, webbed feet, homosexual preference etc. The moment you do is the moment everyone is judged and it starts a downward spiral that causes some to step on the rights of oothers and thus step on the rights of us all. While I dont condone peadophiles and what they do, I cannot and will not judge a person for what they are, despite what personal opinions I have.

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:44

Duplicate please delete

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:51

jcr said:
They're trying to class pedophilia as a lifestyle choice just like they have homosexuality. A few years and there will be no age of consent

Woah.. homosexuality is a *choice* now, is it? Haha.

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:53

elmarko said:
Yes, stupid people who couldn't understand the very important differences between the two.

The reason homosexuality is gaining acceptance in society is because it causes no objective harm - once people move away from either religious of bigotry based reasons there are no other reasons to be against it.

Paedophilia on the other hand involves a party which is unable to give consent & is fundamentally abusive & has a strongly evidence backed history of causing harm.

This will not happen because of the above points.

No, we are just more aware of the frailties & failings in our society than we were before.

Murder, rape & paedophilia have been around as long as we have - with religions permitting & supporting many of them over time. I'd argue the chances of being raped & abused in our modern information secular society are lower now than they have ever been in history.

Just look at the developing world as an example.

Pedophilia and child molestation are two different things.

Lets say someone recognises they have an attraction to children, and decide to seek out some kind of therapy to help them subdue these feelings. Are they to be locked up and punished for this? They haven't hurt anyone.

elmarko · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:53

Dj_Jestar said:
Woah.. homosexuality is a *choice* now, is it? Haha.

His prejudice is showing. (not that I need to mention it, I mean - only a certain type of person tries to compare homosexuality with paedophilia the second one of them is mentioned).

Dj_Jestar said:
Pedophilia and child molestation are two different things you nincompoop.

It's pretty obvious that I was referring to those desires being acted upon (in that, if a person is a paedophile - those desires can't be acted upon without causing X, Y & Z problems).

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:55

Dj_Jestar said:
Pedophilia and child molestation are two different things you nincompoop.

this is also very troe

peadophilia - person who likes children an dlikes interacting with them (not necessarily sexual interaction)

child molesatation - well thats just touching and raping kids. nuff said really

elmarko said:
It's pretty obvious that I was referring to those desires being acted upon.

as above - peadophilia does not necessarily mean that a person "desires" kids

Haggisman · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:55

porushinobu said:
yes!!! despite of differences everyoine is normal, because everyone is unique. You cant judge someone for having downs or 11 finger, webbed feet, homosexual preference etc. The moment you do is the moment everyone is judged and it starts a downward spiral that causes some to step on the rights of oothers and thus step on the rights of us all. While I dont condone peadophiles and what they do, I cannot and will not judge a person for what they are, despite what personal opinions I have.

Then what is the purpose of stating if something is normal or not, if it is a common factor amongst all things?

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:58

Haggisman said:
Then what is the purpose of stating if something is normal or not, if it is a common factor amongst all things?

well.. thats because of the human nature to judge others to make yourself feel better. Despite all our high goals and people trying to be unjudgemental caring people. We are simply just a destructive race both to ourselves and the world/ wildlife around us. Change comes slowly, if we are to become a kind caring race it will happen over time, these social issues are merely bumps on the road that we will solve (on way or the other) or fight over depending on how things turn out.

A lot of things like this are caused by the fact that we are an evergrowing, ever learning, ever changing society that is still very much in its infancy.

elmarko · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:58

porushinobu said:
as above - peadophilia does not necessarily mean that a person "desires" kids

It's not a huge leap to assume that in the context of this thread, that's what's being implied with the use of the word. :rolleyes:

(Thread title - Peadophiles in the House of Commons)

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 14:59

Having extra digits is not normal. Unless you are in a room full of eleven-digited people.

Their person, or character, however may be perfectly normal.

Likewise for Down's syndrome. That is not normal, either.

olivier renault · 8 Jul 2014 at 15:00

"It's just another form of racism".

More to the point,

Cameron : "abuse inquiry will leave no stones unturned'".

Theresa May : "The public needs to have complete confidence".

I'm laughing in disgust already. Nothing will happen. Some old farts will be retired quietly, party foot soldiers will fall on their swords, nothing more.

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 15:02

Are you jumping to conclusions? Do you think "Politician" is now a synonym for "Paedophile" or something?

I find it hard to understand why you are not happy that an investigation is underway, frankly. Nor what you expect to be uncovered, or think is actually going on.

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 15:03

elmarko said:
It's not a huge leap to assume that in the context of this thread, that's what's being implied with the use of the word. (Thread title - Peadophiles in the House of Commons)

very true and it is a widespread misuse of the word, but its partly also due to the fact that there really isnt another word for it as molester implies that someone is taking action on their chile loving urges

hurfdurf · 8 Jul 2014 at 15:07

Rape culture, better for institutions to cover it up instead of punishing guilty individuals, been saying it for years.

hurfdurf · 8 Jul 2014 at 15:09

Dj_Jestar said:
Are you jumping to conclusions? Do you think "Politician" is now a synonym for "Paedophile" or something?

I find it hard to understand why you are not happy that an investigation is underway, frankly. Nor what you expect to be uncovered, or think is actually going on.

Because the guilty who will be discussed have already gotten away with it and long retired, it's 20 years too late, just like Hillsborough.

In 30 years time we will be told how wrong it was to enter Iraq, but it's already too late, no one will ever be held accountable.

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 15:16

"Better late than never"

Surely you know of this age old phrase?