Peadophiles in the House of Commons

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 17:57

Sliver said:
lmao. I'm not angry. I'm just right. I'm asking for citations from you and so far I've received none. You asked for one from me I gave it and then you got butt hurt and called 'selection bias' which was ridiculous. So far your argument seems to be that you know there are paedophiles who never abuse and never look at child porn. Ok. Demonstrate this. Because I do not believe you and until you back up this claim with evidence, I'll continue to not believe you.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q="non-offending"+paedophiles

You also really need to open your eyes. That was an impossibly perfect example of selection bias. It's right up there with using a report that 100% of divorces started with marriage. If a report only contains evidence from a selection of something, it has selection bias. There is no other way about it. That report only had evidence regarding viewers of child abuse images. So guess what percentage of those viewers look at kiddy porn?

Sliver · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:01

Dj_Jestar said:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q="non-offending"+paedophiles

You also really need to open your eyes. That was an impossibly perfect example of selection bias. It's right up there with using a report that 100% of divorces started with marriage.

I clicked on your first link at the top of the page and in the first paragraph, the 'non offending paedophile' came out with this:

I'm 21-year-old non-offending pedophile with primary sexual attraction to girls aged 5-12. I think, most of my attraction to kids is platonic, rather than sexual

So, he's not sexually attracted to kids. So not really a paedophile strictly is he ? If you crave alcohol but never drink you're not an alcoholic are you ?

Next. :rolleyes:

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:03

Ha, now you're changing definitions of things to suit your own warped mind? A Paedophile is someone that has perversions toward children, whether they act upon it or not.

Also, the AA may want to correct you on your point about alcoholics.

e: I'll let you have that first link thing. Not the best example, good thing that search provides thousands of others as well.

Sliver · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:03

Dj_Jestar said:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q="non-offending"+paedophiles

You also really need to open your eyes. That was an impossibly perfect example of selection bias. It's right up there with using a report that 100% of divorces started with marriage.

Do you even proof read before you post or is it just a river of vitriol that gushes out from your keyboard without any supervision ? Of course all Divorces start with Marriage. You can't get divorced unless you are married first. Jeez !

Sliver · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:06

Dj_Jestar said:
Also, the AA may want to correct you on your point about alcoholics.

If you never drink how can you be an alcoholic ? I seriously believe you're not this stupid. I suspect you're a smart guy. So why even say it ? Likewise, if you crave children sexually but never view child porn or abuse them, you're not strictly a paedophile in the eyes of the law.

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:07

Sliver said:
Do you even proof read before you post or is it just a river of vitriol that gushes out from your keyboard without any supervision ? Of course all Divorces start with Marriage. You can't get divorced unless you are married first. Jeez !

I'm starting to think this has been a troll all along. You're kidding, right?

Guys, he's kidding, right? Nobody can possibly miss the point so blatantly, surely?

Tombo · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:07

Paedophile doesn't mean child abuser.

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:10

Sliver said:
If you never drink how can you be an alcoholic ? I seriously believe you're not this stupid. I suspect you're a smart guy. So why even say it ? Likewise, if you crave children sexually but never view child porn or abuse them, you're not strictly a paedophile in the eyes of the law.

*cough*

Yes, you are.

CITATION, MOFO

First paragraph:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.

You don't have to abuse a child, nor look at kiddy porn, to be a paedophile.

Those search results include plenty of examples of those who are attracted to children but do no harm.

Sliver · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:13

Tombo said:
Paedophile doesn't mean child abuser.

Is there such a thing as paedophile who has never viewed child porn or abused a child ?

Everyone (adults) I have met in my life has either had sex or has masturbated. I've never met or even heard of a person who has never explored their junk. So why should I believe that some paedophiles have never touched theirs ? Are they special ? They need to sleep, they need to eat, they need to drink, they need sexual gratification and at some point that means abusing physically or viewing images online.

Sliver · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:14

Dj_Jestar said:
*cough*

Yes, you are.

CITATION, MOFO

First paragraph:

You don't have to abuse a child, nor look at kiddy porn, to be a paedophile.

Those search results include plenty of examples of those who are attracted to children but do no harm.

I said in the eyes of the law. Can't you read ?

elmarko · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:43

Sliver said:
Is there such a thing as paedophile who has never viewed child porn or abused a child ?

Everyone (adults) I have met in my life has either had sex or has masturbated. I've never met or even heard of a person who has never explored their junk. So why should I believe that some paedophiles have never touched theirs ? Are they special ? They need to sleep, they need to eat, they need to drink, they need sexual gratification and at some point that means abusing physically or viewing images online.

To be fair.

It's not impossible for person A to both have sexual urges towards children, but has a moral code which prevents them from acting upon it (either by abusing children directly or by viewing sexual images of children which are the result of abuse).

Not that when people discuss paedophilia do they actually mean that, in the case of the subject at hand (the OP) it's referring to individuals who have acted upon it, as is the case in 99% of all times the term is used.

To give a comparison we can relate to - if person B found a beautiful women who was totally drunk incredibly physically attractive - it doesn't mean they would act upon on it by trying it on (as it would be impossible to act on it ethically due to them not being able to give consent in that state) would be a
comparable situation.

If person A should be 'left to it' is debatable, as it would depend on if people in that situation are able to control themselves - or if treatment (therapy, drugs) is the only way of guaranteeing them not acting their desires out. I have neither the information, the experience or the expertise to say what should be done in this case.

porushinobu · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:45

Sliver said:
Is there such a thing as paedophile who has never viewed child porn or abused a child ?

Everyone (adults) I have met in my life has either had sex or has masturbated. I've never met or even heard of a person who has never explored their junk. So why should I believe that some paedophiles have never touched theirs ? Are they special ? They need to sleep, they need to eat, they need to drink, they need sexual gratification and at some point that means abusing physically or viewing images online.

it is well documented and since you missed it or ignored it the first time I will repeat myself, but only once.
it has been well established that some peadophiles also have attractions to adults and therefore get the "gratification" through sleeping with an adult.

Schlong&Stable · 8 Jul 2014 at 18:48

Sliver said:
Is there such a thing as paedophile who has never viewed child porn or abused a child ?

Everyone (adults) I have met in my life has either had sex or has masturbated. I've never met or even heard of a person who has never explored their junk. So why should I believe that some paedophiles have never touched theirs ? Are they special ? They need to sleep, they need to eat, they need to drink, they need sexual gratification and at some point that means abusing physically or viewing images online.

Yes, there is, because as others pointed out many times there are many paedo's are also attracted to adults. So they can get sexual gratification from other adults. There is no reason to assume all paedos engage in criminal behaviour, which was why I asked if those men (or women) are acceptable to society or not.

Amp34 · 8 Jul 2014 at 19:06

Wanna provide a link to a legal document stating paedophilia?

You won't find one, it's not a legal definition...

bazzabear · 8 Jul 2014 at 19:06

Sliver said:
lmao. I'm not angry. I'm just right. I'm asking for citations from you and so far I've received none. You asked for one from me I gave it and then you got butt hurt and called 'selection bias' which was ridiculous. So far your argument seems to be that you know there are paedophiles who never abuse and never look at child porn. Ok. Demonstrate this. Because I do not believe you and until you back up this claim with evidence, I'll continue to not believe you.

Your set of people you were using for proof that "all paedophiles abuse children" was paedophiles in prison who have been arrested specifically for doing so.

And you don't consider that this might have a selection bias towards those who act on their urges?

olivier renault · 8 Jul 2014 at 19:06

Dj_Jestar said:
And to the last part of that? What do you think is going on that said "old boys club" feel deserves to be covered up?

Oh, I don't know...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/lost-child-abuse-files-home-office

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28182414

Great, files are missing. Case closed.

Dj_Jestar · 8 Jul 2014 at 22:54

Sliver said:
I said in the eyes of the law. Can't you read ?

It's right next to the legal definitions of heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual and even metrosexual.

Sliver · 8 Jul 2014 at 23:35

Still waiting for proof that there are paedophiles out there who never physically abuse or view child porn. Can someone demonstrate this to me without just asserting I am wrong and then not backing that assertion up with evidence ? Credible links only please.

Even catholic priests can not keep their penis to themselves and they are supposed to be some of the most trusted of people in society, who have taken vows of chastity. So if they can't resist their natural urges, seems clear that other paedophiles can't either.

We all have a sexual urge that needs gratifying. It's part of being human. To suggest that paedophiles somehow go through their entire life without ever looking at child porn never mind actual physical abuse is a credulous notion that does not fit with human behaviour. It's false, and those promulgating it here on these forums are either naïve or trolling for kicks.

asim18 · 8 Jul 2014 at 23:47

Sliver said:
We all have a sexual urge that needs gratifying.

We all have urges. What's important here is do you always satisfy ALL your urges?

If you don't satisfy all your personal urges then you need to apply the same logic to others. There is no way you can say a person who gets a sexual kick from the appearance of children will always actually harm them.

When you're walking down the street and you see hot attractive women in sexually promiscuous summer clothes, do you go and have sex with all of them?

Sliver · 9 Jul 2014 at 00:00

asim18 said:
We all have urges. What's important here is do you always satisfy ALL your urges?

The sexual urge is a basic animal urge present in all of us. We satisfy it either through sex or through masturbation. Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that there are people who go through life and never explore their sexuality. You might as well say that Sun Eaters are real and they never eat food. Google Sun Eaters if you don't know what I'm talking about.