Upcoming games to support Mantle

ubersonic · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:05

Baboonanza said:
Elite is actually looking a lot more promising to me than the over-hyped, over-budgeted and over-extended Star Citizen. Given the scope of that game who knows when it'll ever get finished anyway

Blake Stone looked like the best FPS ever made and it was, but that didn't help it being released the same week as Doom.

Gregster · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:06

humbug said:
He doesn't like positive AMD news to be so visible ^^^ wants it moved into a dark corner.

Mantle also has a 'Frame Smoothing' effect on games, soon we will get the best of both worlds, Mantle and Free-Sync. yes, its all good

Freesync far off now? I have not heard about Mantle and the frame smoothing effect. I have asked on server after server if Mantle makes playing smoother and not one person has said yes. Have you got a link to it so I can read it?

Ayahuasca · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:07

humbug seemingly making up things that mantle does now.

ubersonic · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:07

PhysicsMan94 said:
That's because we don't need one, all upcoming games will be using DirectX

Doom 4 will be OpenGL

layte · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:10

humbug said:
Give me a real reason as to why not?

Because of commercial agreements between the parties involved. Hand waving and saying yea but they can use what tech they want isn't a solid counter.

Edit: do you have anything beyond a made up list on a site of dubious reputation to say otherwise?

humbug · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:12

Gregster said:
Freesync far off now? I have not heard about Mantle and the frame smoothing effect. I have asked on server after server if Mantle makes playing smoother and not one person has said yes. Have you got a link to it so I can read it?

6 Months, who did you ask about frame smoothing effect? you didn't ask me, you did ask shankly, Matt....

Mantle is a lot smoother.

And http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26579513&postcount=8518

Originally Posted by pcper
Mantle CrossFire results are again very flat, but at least scale up within range of the DirectX 11 CrossFire scaling. Going from a single R9 290X to a pair with the Mantle API results in 56% average frame rate scaling. That is less than the performance advantage provided by CrossFire in DirectX but if you look at the Frame Times graph, you will again see that the Mantle implementation is incredibly smooth and consistent!

Mantle multi-GPU scaling is much better and provides more tangible benefits with this platform at 2560x1440 than it does at 1920x1080, but the "flatness" of the frame times is a bit confusing. It almost appears that the Frostbite engine's implementation of frame pacing puts so much weight behind having a consistent frame rate that it is willing to sacrifice peak frame rates. In the case of our higher resolution results here, I think that trade off is worth making. The lack of ANY hitches or frame time spikes provides a spectacularly smooth gaming experience.

Rroff · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:13

ubersonic said:
1: "Elite: Dangerous" somebody is brining out an Elite clone, shortly before/after Star Citizen? Ha hahaha hahahhahahahahahaha. I doubt 9/10 gamers today have ever heard of Elite, the name won't ship titles any more, neither will playing second fiddle to Star Citizen.

Is this your comment or quoted from someone else?

Because quite frankly as things stand right now its vying for the most stupid comment I've seen all year. ED is definitely not playing second fiddle to SC right now and has had massive coverage lately getting a **** ton of interest. (Whether it will have long term success or not is another matter but right now it certainly isn't lacking coverage/interest and making SC look a bit of a wet blanket).

Somewhat back on topic that Mantle list is looking a bit overly hopeful, quite a few of those games including ED are a "maybe if we get time for it, possibly, not really something we have planned" including some of the games in the confirmed list due to using engines with support for it natively.

humbug · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:14

layte said:
Because of commercial agreements between the parties involved. Hand waving and saying yea but they can use what tech they want isn't a solid counter.

Edit: do you have anything beyond a made up list on a site of dubious reputation to say otherwise?

So your assuming that COD have an agreement with who? that they are not to use Mantle.

Aren't you just using your own assumptions to add water to your arguments.

Its pretty thin.

Rroff · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:24

Hmm seems the list is more based on comments by Jason Evangelho than AMD beta confirmation? in which case I'm out - thought it was a bit dodgy with some of the unconfirmed list who I already know their stance on Mantle (not negative but its not on the roadmap for them any time soon).

Gregster · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:29

humbug said:
6 Months, who did you ask about frame smoothing effect? you didn't ask me, you did ask shankly, Matt....

Mantle is a lot smoother.

You are showing a graph that shows Mantle and DX but no where have I read that Mantle has a "Frame smoothing effect" Sure if it feels smoother to you, then great stuff and I just asked on the servers I go on and most people with AMD are still using DX because of the memory leak (can't play more than a couple of rounds without hitching/stuttering). Not to take anything away from Mantle though and I can see benefits for low end CPU users or Crossfire users but I fail to see where this frame smoothing is.

There was also an improvement over frame time delivery consistency in both single and multi-GPU configurations, however, from a gameplay experience perspective, these were not noticeable in how the game reacted within a round.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014...card_performance_review_part_1/6#.U71R7fldUjw

That and Shankly was all I could find when searching for Mantle being smoother.

Edit:

Good news on Freesync only being 6 months away.

layte · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:33

humbug said:
So your assuming that COD have an agreement with who? that they are not to use Mantle.

Aren't you just using your own assumptions to add water to your arguments.

Its pretty thin.

Ubisoft. Edit: wtf am I talking about here lol. I'm not going to edit this. I shall leave this moment of shame to remind me to think before taping out quick phone posts.

You know, the company who have announced the big deal with Nvidia to integrate all their game works stuff.

Anyway. I know better than to waste my time playing this pointless game with you. Let's revisit this in six months, once these titles are available. I imagine my £20 will be safe.

humbug · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:36

Ubisoft, you know. those in Bed with anyone and everyone they can find. ^^^^ sure...

Gregster said:
You are showing a graph that shows Mantle and DX but no where have I read that Mantle has a "Frame smoothing effect" Sure if it feels smoother to you, then great stuff and I just asked on the servers I go on and most people with AMD are still using DX because of the memory leak (can't play more than a couple of rounds without hitching/stuttering). Not to take anything away from Mantle though and I can see benefits for low end CPU users or Crossfire users but I fail to see where this frame smoothing is.

I'd like to get to talk to those people you imply to are having 'Memory leak issues' they are not, with respect you don't know what your talking about. You are not helping them telling them that, your very much wrong. I know exactly what it is and can have them up and running smoothly in just a few minutes.

Gregster · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:38

humbug said:
I'd like to get to talk to those people you imply to are having 'Memory leak issues' they are not, with respect you don't know what your talking about. You are not helping them telling them that, you very much wrong. I know exactly what it is and can have them up and running smoothly in just a few minutes.

Ease up Humbug please. I asked in several servers and that is the feedback I got. Maybe they are having PEBKAC, I don't know but I still can't see where you are getting Mantle has frame smoothing (something you compared to G-Sync when I mentioned it).

For the record, I didn't tell them anything and asked.

Rroff · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:39

layte said:
Ubisoft.

You know, the company who have announced the big deal with Nvidia to integrate all their game works stuff.

Anyway. I know better than to waste my time playing this pointless game with you. Let's revisit this in six months, once these titles are available. I imagine my £20 will be safe.

Next COD game is made by Treyarch under the umbrella of Activision nothing to do with Ubisoft. However the last time I saw a statement about Mantle from them it was along the lines of interesting technology but not in a shape they would currently spend time on implementing.

Orangey · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:41

The new Elite is David Braben's dream remake, that's why it's getting so much attention. Furthest thing from a "clone"... Chris Roberts fanboy detected?

MUH STAR CITIZEN

Guess he did well on the Raspberry Pi royalties.

Ayahuasca · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:42

Gregster said:
Ease up Humbug please. I asked in several servers and that is the feedback I got. Maybe they are having PEBKAC, I don't know but I still can't see where you are getting Mantle has frame smoothing (something you compared to G-Sync when I mentioned it).

For the record, I didn't tell them anything and asked.

There's a guy on the 2nd page of this very thread said he notices no difference between DX11 and mantle as well.

ubersonic · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:42

humbug said:
I'd like to get to talk to those people you imply to are having 'Memory leak issues' they are not, with respect you don't know what your talking about. You are not helping them telling them that, your very much wrong. I know exactly what it is and can have them up and running smoothly in just a few minutes.

Wasn't LtMatt going on about this? Perhaps you could help him as he got onto DICE and they admitted fault. :confused:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=26537116#post26537116

shankly1985 · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:43

Gregster said:
Freesync far off now? I have not heard about Mantle and the frame smoothing effect. I have asked on server after server if Mantle makes playing smoother and not one person has said yes. Have you got a link to it so I can read it?

Ayahuasca said:
humbug seemingly making up things that mantle does now.

Making nothing up, I have reported this on here and has other who used Mantle. That it does smoother out the frame rate change.

layte · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:44

Rroff said:
Next COD game is made by Treyarch under the umbrella of Activision nothing to do with Ubisoft. However the last time I saw a statement about Mantle from them it was along the lines of interesting technology but not in a shape they would currently spend time on implementing.

Haha I'm an idiot.

God knows how I got those confused.

I still stand by my assertion that GTA won't be a mantle title though given what we know about the engine and previous between them and NV.

Rroff · 9 Jul 2014 at 15:45

humbug said:
I'd like to get to talk to those people you imply to are having 'Memory leak issues' they are not, with respect you don't know what your talking about. You are not helping them telling them that, your very much wrong. I know exactly what it is and can have them up and running smoothly in just a few minutes.

Care to elaborate a bit more on this? I know quite a few people have serious memory management issues with Mantle in BF4 that results in them going back to DX for any serious play but I've not looked into in in any depth.