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[DJ_Bucho]

At low settings and with some hefty frame rate drops maybe but its not a very good experience at all.

@DJ Bucho- It is one of the better examples of Physx and for me makes the game look a lot better. I played it with 7970 crossfire and with 780 SLI and preferred the latter as the eye candy is a lot nicer. Lots of nice effects on liquids and sparks/explosions

I'm running an AMD FX-8250 @ 4.2ghz, and an Asus 7970 matrix Platinum, as default my PhysX option is set to 'Low', if I set it to 'high' I get a definite drop in FPS, and the movement definitely feels more sluggish

So I followed the steps about changing the PhysX option within the WillowEngine.ini file. it didn't seems to make any difference to be perfectly honest and whatever I changed it to, when I loaded up Borderlands it was still set as low
So I made sure both where set to high (the option was set to '2' in the WillowEngine.ini file) and the in game PhysX option was set to 'high', then rebooted my machine. BOOM!!! The game runs just as smoothly as it did with PhysX stet to low, but now PhysiX is set to high in game. AWESOME guys, I'm loving this, it's bloody brilliant. I'm off to blow some stuff up and look at all those extra particles, WHOOP WHOOP

 

[Rusty0611]

Played ok for me, sure fps dropped at times but I still finished it with PhysX on high.

Dont think I ever dropped below 40fps.

Not with PhysX on high you didn't. I tested it myself. As I said, even with CF 7950s at 1080p the slowdowns were horrendous to the point of being unplayable. If it was OK for you then the PhysX effects were not enabled correctly.

In BL2 unless you edit the config file you can't use them anyway due to nVidia's lock on forcing them to be hardware accelerated (i.e. their GPUs only). If you edit the config file they don't run anywhere near as efficiently as they've are only supposed to run via the card hence the slowdowns.

The effects are IMO one of the better implementations but I wouldn't say that they would make me enjoy the game more or consider a nVidia card more than I would already just because of them. You won't miss them if they're not there is my view on them but others have different opinions.

 

[shankly1985]

Not with PhysX on high you didn't.

Yes I did.
Not my footage but see youtube if you don't believe me.

 

[Rusty0611]

Yes I did.
Not my footage but see youtube if you don't believe me.

No you didn't. To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying you can't 'hack' the setting to high I'm saying it's not playable.

Even the video author says the same thing in his comments:

"Nothing new here, I have stated in comments that this is unplayable with these settings when there are enemies around..."

The frame rate looks appalling in the second video so this doesn't further your point at all.

 

[shankly1985]

No you didn't. To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying you can't 'hack' the setting to high I'm saying it's not playable.

Even the video author says the same thing in his comments:

"Nothing new here, I have stated in comments that this is unplayable with these settings when there are enemies around..."

Well that's funny because I completed it. Sorry Mr rusty but you wrong.
I should know I played it. I told you the frame rate drops at times it still playable as was batman games.
Just like running ps3 game at 30fps it was fine.

Go and tell me I also didn't complete batman with PhysX on.

 

[Rusty0611]

Well that's funny because I completed it. Sorry Mr rusty but you wrong.
I should know I played it.

You may have completed the game - so what? The point is you didn't complete it on PhysX = High with playable frame rates.

I know this from first hand experience of trying it with my 7950s. Earlier on in the game it's "OK". Later on it becomes awful. If you think you did you're mistaken. The CPU can't handle the PhysX effects fast enough when the setting is on High to keep up. Even the guy in the video you've linked trying to prove otherwise says as much in his comments in the video.

I know you get confused about PhysX effects though Shankly so if you're in "not listening" mode when the truth is completely the opposite then there's little point continuing. Hopefully you'll have an epiphany like you did in the Sound section when arguing that surround headphones were better than stereo .

 

[shankly1985]

You may have completed the game - so what? The point is you didn't complete it on PhysX = High with playable frame rates.

I know this from first hand experience of trying it with my 7950s. Earlier on in the game it's "OK". Later on it becomes awful. If you think you did you're mistaken. The CPU can't handle the PhysX effects fast enough when the setting is on High to keep up. Even the guy in the video you've linked trying to prove otherwise says as much in his comments in the video.

I know you get confused about PhysX effects though Shankly so if you're in "not listening" mode when the truth is completely the opposite then there's little point continuing. Hopefully you'll have an epiphany like you did in the Sound section when arguing that surround headphones were better than stereo .

Lol I completed it on high simple as. Don't believe me like I care.
And about the sound, I wasn't wrong on the sound quality but am still correct what I was saying that directional cues are easier to pick up on 5.1.
I said that I knew the stereo would sound better, my hole point was surround sound.
Guess you didn't read enough my thread did you?

Any enough off topic, this about Physx. Don't be mad just because I played and completed a game with hardware that didn't cost a leg.

 

[shankly1985]

Here you go again rusty, show me how I get confused about Physx?

Watch my batman video Physx on high. And go and do the test yourself or watch a YouTube video on nvidia hardware.
Show me what is different, I can't wait for you to show me nothing.
Batman AC CPU PhysX High: http://youtu.be/YX_r0Ex5cNg

 

[Rusty0611]

Lol I completed it on high simple as. Don't believe me like I care.
And about the sound, I wasn't wrong on the sound quality but am still correct what I was saying that directional cues are easier to pick up on 5.1.
I said that I knew the stereo would sound better, my hole point was surround sound.
Guess you didn't read enough my thread did you?

You may have completed it. My dispute is with playable FPS and that dispute comes from personal experience from having tried it. Oh and the multitude of information on the internet from people who have tried similarly.

I did read. The stubbornness displayed prior to the change of phones in the face of compounding evidence was amusing until it finally clicked. Alas, my pointing out of that wasn't anything other than an example of the point I was making regarding PhysX but way to focus on the example of a point as the point itself. It's like debating with a toddler.

Don't be mad just because I played and completed a game with hardware that didn't cost a leg.

How mature. Grow up. I've already said further up that PhysX is a bit 'meh'. I didn't buy a 780 for PhysX - it just happened to be there. Showing your reading ability there.

Here you go again rusty, show me how I get confused about Physx?

Watch my batman video Physx on high. And go and do the test yourself or watch a YouTube video on nvidia hardware.
Show me what is different, I can't wait for you to show me nothing.
Batman AC CPU PhysX High: http://youtu.be/YX_r0Ex5cNg

You've illustrated exactly there why you're confused. We were talking specifically regarding Borderlands 2 and the effects in that game. To rebuke your comments I would like to know what you think I'm saying when I've already said this:

To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying you can't 'hack' the setting to high I'm saying it's not playable.

That was about Borderlands 2 following the thread. So I've got no idea why you're wittering on about your achievement in getting it to run on High on a different game to the one we were talking about.

Edit: it's too hot and I'm far too impatient to talk about this with you again when you don't listen and have history of not listening to people. So I'll leave it there.

 

[Rusty0611]

Old PhysX hack works up to PhysX 2.0+ titles on older Nvidia drivers, no hacks work for PhysX 3.0+ without serious grief with possible OS damage if you can get PhysX 3.0+ hybrid working-some can get it running setup dependant.

Yeah I read about that. IMO it isn't worth cocking about with it. Did you get it working?

Yeah, I wouldn't personally put it higher than medium.

I tried it a lot as it was the "in" thing to test when the game came out. Luckily it was timed with me switching from 680s to 7950s. Medium like you say was largely OK but at certain points in the games it would crawl again. High was unplayable the majority of the times. Low was OK but I didn't think the IQ was worth the slow down on my 7950s for it.

As expected on the 680s it was smooth at all settings. On High I did really like it at first but then I kind of noticed that I wasn't taking any notice of the PhysX effects any more.

 

[shankly1985]

"I know you get confused about PhysX effects though Shankly"

Didn't you say that because last time we had this convo? About batman witch you still failed to show me. Reason I switched to batman.

MMaybe because am used to playing console games also am used to your so called unplayable frame rates?
Gta5 for example drops into 20s at times that playable to you?

 

[shankly1985]

Edit: it's too hot and I'm far too impatient to talk about this with you again when you don't listen and have history of not listening to people. So I'll leave it there.

Yeah just like last time, when you failed to prove your point. If I remember once I showed you that bench it put you in your place.

 

[tommybhoy]

I'll play arbitrator here and help you two settle this as what's playable for one but not the other=opinion differential on what fps your willing to deem acceptable playability, it will run hardware, how much your willing to slip the fps, some do/some won't.

Yeah I read about that. IMO it isn't worth cocking about with it. Did you get it working?

PhysX 2.0+ hack was simple as running a bat file/exe, run and forget or at worst deleting a physxcore.dll(I think that was the one) in each directory(for only a few titles) near the last compatible driver/PhysX 2.?(whatever it was).

PhysX 3.0+ hack=NIGHTMARE, wrecked certain PhysX games due to renaming/deleting/adding/swapping far too many files.

 

[Superpatsy]

I've spent the last couple of hours playing it with PhysX set to high and the FPS dropped to 30ish at some points then skipped right back to 90+. That's playable to me seeing as I play on consoles as well and am used to playing at that sort of FPS.

 

[Rusty0611]

I've spent the last couple of hours playing it with PhysX set to high and the FPS dropped to 30ish at some points then skipped right back to 90+. That's playable to me seeing as I play on consoles as well and am used to playing at that sort of FPS.

Yeah for a while it'll be like that but when the effects really ramp up it's like single digits or so. I can't remember precisely but it was singles or teens.

Edit: the difference with the consoles is that they largely stay at 30 FPS locked for the majority of the time so you have that consistency. If you're running a constant 60 (for example) on the PC and then a sudden drop to 30 can really harm experience.

PhysX 2.0+ hack was simple as running a bat file/exe, run and forget or at worst deleting a physxcore.dll(I think that was the one) in each directory(for only a few titles) near the last compatible driver/PhysX 2.?(whatever it was).

PhysX 3.0+ hack=NIGHTMARE, wrecked certain PhysX games due to renaming/deleting/adding/swapping far too many files.

Shame. Not missing much though IMO. I don't really let PhysX factor into my purchasing decision when that time arrives but I know some people that love the effects so each to their own.

 

[shankly1985]

Yeah for a while it'll be like that but when the effects really ramp up it's like single digits or so. I can't remember precisely but it was singles or teens.

Edit: the difference with the consoles is that they largely stay at 30 FPS locked for the majority of the time so you have that consistency. If you're running a constant 60 (for example) on the PC and then a sudden drop to 30 can really harm experience.



Shame. Not missing much though IMO. I don't really let PhysX factor into my purchasing decision when that time arrives but I know some people that love the effects so each to their own.

Ever heard of locking frame rate? And consoles also drop frame rate, watch dogs on ps4 at times hits 20s very playable.

 

[Rusty0611]

Shankly I think I made it clear enough that I wasn't interested in having a conversation with you so I don't know why you keep talking to me.

 

[shankly1985]

Shankly I think I made it clear enough that I wasn't interested in having a conversation with you so I don't know why you keep talking to me.

Fair enough then knew I was right

 

[garyfl]

ZZZZZ come on guys i thought this thread would tell me how to put my 460 in for physx while i use my 290 tri x. BTW, i tested borderlands 2 last night with the tri x. i got about 180fps avg. i had physx set to low to begin with, didnt drop below 102fps, then set it to high, physx works, looks amazing, it went to as low as 40fps but never any lower. hope that helps.

 

[Rusty0611]

ZZZZZ come on guys i thought this thread would tell me how to put my 460 in for physx while i use my 290 tri x. BTW, i tested borderlands 2 last night with the tri x. i got about 180fps avg. i had physx set to low to begin with, didnt drop below 102fps, then set it to high, physx works, looks amazing, it went to as low as 40fps but never any lower. hope that helps.

Indeed - though it completely depends on what part of the game you're in and what weapons though as to what kind of drop off PhysX causes in performance.

There was a particular part where I used for testing where it was unplayable. Not a subjective unplayable either - we are talking single digits.

Of course that isn't the end of the world... you can just drop the setting a little at the points where it chugs and re-apply when it's OK.