Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

In your opinion.

He makes a lot of sense a lot of the time and just because he is not PC I guess is your grievance.

TBH I think a lot of the things you state make no real common sense but you like to come across as clever.

I have little time for either of the countries in the OP, both as bad as each other.
 
Muslims are brought up to hate non Muslims, especially Jews I mean even the kids cartoons depict Jews as evil and should be killed ! Because of that there will never be peace in the Middle East
 
I think we should recreate Israel in Scotland before the referendum. Surely they could live peacefully up there. Then the Scots can go and live with the Palestinians.
 
Israel, Palestine.

Pick your favourite side and defend it to your little heart's content. It will make no difference in the greater scheme.
 
@ Participant, Why would I leave my country to live in there?

How about you go and live there as the English are as hated in history as the Jews. :)
 
What's unfortunate is that in the modern media any utterings of anti-Zionism is instantly branded as anti-Semitism (two utterly different concepts) as a pretty transparent attempt to shut down debate/criticism. The only reason nothing regarding this illegal land grab is the constant use of the US veto in the U.N security council.

Usually in situations where both parties have done wrong, I'll tend to be more sympathetic to the one with the significantly higher civilian casualty rates & inferior military power (Palestine in this case) - not to mention look at the root cause (the theft of land).
 
I don't agree with everything Israel has done, especially what they've done in the last 10 years, but in many ways I see Israel as a product of its environment and hatred just breeds more hate. When you look back at what was done to Israel over the last 60 years, and the opportunities for peace that were rejected mainly by the Palestinian side, you can sort of see why they are the way that they are. I also think if Israelis weren't predominately white then no-one would care as much as they do.
 
elmarko said:
What's unfortunate is that in the modern media any utterings of anti-Zionism is instantly branded as anti-Semitism (two utterly different concepts) as a pretty transparent attempt to shut down debate/criticism.
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This seems to be somewhat untrue, there is plenty of criticism of Israel on many media channels without the anti-Semitism card being played.

Of course you just have to look at the other thread about Israel/Palestine to see a couple of the posters veer from blaming Israel to blaming Jews to see that sometimes accusations of anti-Semitism are actually warranted.
 
I think that this really is a complex situation with both sides at fault in many ways. Unfortunately too many look to take sides rather than finding a solution to the problem.

I support Israel's right to exist - I also support the right of the Palestinians to exist. The only way forward is to find common ground.

Down here in Brighton there was a Soda Stream shop. It closed recently after 2 years of violent protests outside. The reason that the Soda Stream shop was being protested against is because Soda Stream have a factory in disputed territory. The factory employs Palestinians and treats them incredibly well. They receive full healthcare and excellent rates of pay.

The workers in the factory want it to stay open. It is an example of Israeli's and Palestinians working together peacefully and in harmony. It should be held up as an example of peace and tolerance.
 
Castiel said:
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, then you side with the oppressor."

Desmond Tutu.
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I'm just aware of my ignorance, and that I'm not bright enough to wade through the complexities of the debate to decide what is right.
As far as I'm aware, neither side approaches innocence, so I'll stay out of it all.
 
I'm pretty sure I'll get berated for saying it, but I'm pro-Israel. I don't condone a lot of what they do, but when your people have been ritualistically crapped on for centuries, you can kind of understand that they're going to think offence is the best type of defence.

Does it justify everything they do? Absolutely not. Does it provide a compelling argument? To me, kinda, yeah.

e: I'm fully aware that the entire debate is far more complex and nuanced than I'm presenting it, but this is GD, not SC.
 
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