Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

Theophany said:
I'm pretty sure I'll get berated for saying it, but I'm pro-Israel. I don't condone a lot of what they do, but when your people have been ritualistically crapped on for centuries, you can kind of understand that they're going to think offence is the best type of defence.

Does it justify everything they do? Absolutely not. Does it provide a compelling argument? To me, kinda, yeah.

e: I'm fully aware that the entire debate is far more complex and nuanced than I'm presenting it, but this is GD, not SC.
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Couldn't agree more. Don't worry about getting berated for saying what you feel, to be honest it makes no difference what side you take on any issue on these forums, there's always a queue of people lining up to berate you. ;)
 
Correct and people are strangely quiet on the actions of the Islamic countries that are complicit with the actions of Israel and yet feel free to take any pot shot they can at Israel.
 
Sliver said:
Couldn't agree more. Don't worry about getting berated for saying what you feel, to be honest it makes no difference what side you take on any issue on these forums, there's always a queue of people lining up to berate you. ;)
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Usually the same small bunch of anti israeli fanatics. Im pro-Israeli too, but I feel like this time, they have gone too far. I keep seeing the image of those three little boys running for their lives and I cannot see how any nation under god can do that and not seriously look at itself and say 'enough'.

I'm all for stopping Hamas firing rockets, I think Hamas are wallowing in the blood of their own and really enjoying it as the Israelis react all too predictably, but when you are bombing kids even by accident you should be stopping and saying 'well maybe this isn't the greatest way to go.'

Maybe they just dont think that it will make a difference to who supports them and who doesnt. But for me thats the wrong question. they should be asking 'Is what we are doing reflective of the nation we want to be, or have we just started acting like the enemy we oppose?'
 
War = collateral damage. Innocents always die in conflicts.

This conflict is no different to ANY other in history. Don't forget that this latest round of carnage was triggered when Palestinians kidnapped 3 Israeli boys and brutally murdered them.
 
Palestinians have inaccurate rockets that they fire indiscriminately and mostly stopped by their iron shield. Israel have precision guided missiles supplied by the West that they deliberately target bars during the world cup with.

Israelis attack reporters for reporting them cheering when deliberately targeted civilians are killed.

Guess who I support.
 
Sliver said:
War = collateral damage. Innocents always die in conflicts.

This conflict is no different to ANY other in history. Don't forget that this latest round of carnage was triggered when Palestinians kidnapped 3 Israeli boys and brutally murdered them.
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Really, I thought it was because Israelis kidnapped a Palestinian child and beat him to death.
 
Sliver said:
War = collateral damage. Innocents always die in conflicts.

This conflict is no different to ANY other in history. Don't forget that this latest round of carnage was triggered when Palestinians kidnapped 3 Israeli boys and brutally murdered them.
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Yeah and that palestinian kid was burnt to death by three israelis. Im sorry, I dont buy that a modern nation is required to accept collateral damage by shrugging and saying 'cest la guerre'. That was world war two. Nowadays, with one israeli dead versus a couple of hundred palestinians, including shelling children, any nation with a conscience should be saying that's enough punishment. the people who kidnapped those kids were looking for this to happen and the israelis are playing right into their hands. The fact they know this, and dont care, really shakes my belief in the rightness of what theyre doing.
 
Devlish said:
Yeah and that palestinian kid was burnt to death by three israelis. Im sorry, I dont buy that a modern nation is required to accept collateral damage by shrugging and saying 'cest la guerre'. That was world war two. Nowadays, with one israeli dead versus a couple of hundred palestinians, including shelling children, any nation with a conscience should be saying that's enough punishment. the people who kidnapped those kids were looking for this to happen and the israelis are playing right into their hands. The fact they know this, and dont care, really shakes my belief in the rightness of what theyre doing.
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Are you suggesting that wars can be fought today without collateral damage because if you are you're living in cloud cuckoo land. You do realise that the cowards that are Hamas deliberately hide themselves in civilian areas ? Israel even warns the area before a missile strike so that civilians can evacuate. Trouble is, Hamas evacuate too. Israel are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
 
Nothing has happened in 60 years that gives you any hope they can achieve peace.

Israel will keep building settlements and people like Hamas will keep lobbing rockets (idiots for doing this it just makes people against them and doesn't hurt Israel)

Neither have serious intentions of peace so it will carry on.

There neighbour states should do more to help but half of them are in turmoil too.
 
Sliver said:
Are you suggesting that wars can be fought today without collateral damage because if you are you're living in cloud cuckoo land. You do realise that the cowards that are Hamas deliberately hide themselves in civilian areas ? Israel even warns the area before a missile strike so that civilians can evacuate. Trouble is, Hamas evacuate too. Israel are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
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Which part of this is 'war'? do you think by labelling it as such will make it all acceptable?

Yes I do realise that Hamas launch from civilian areas so the Isrealis will attack those areas and kill civilians. I can see through it, YOU can see through it, so if Israel, with its modern weaponry still decides to go ahead and do it rather than target the militants, then that makes them no better than Hamas.

Do you think the launchers are still there in the half an hour it takes to line up a strike? If not, then its just punishment attacks which kill civvies and that is wrong however you paint it. This is essentially netanyahu trying to show a firm response to the killings of the seminary students. Its gone now from firm to ridiculous.

Quite frankly Israel are damned if they do. If they dont, Hamas are damned and Israel have some scorched earth here and there. At this rate there will be only fanatics supporting Israel and when that happens the whole picture changes.
 
drunkenmaster said:
the land was owned by Palestinians who were born and grew up in that area. Jewish people owed about 7% of the land.

So 89% of the land.owned the land. People who actually owned the land, had documents to say they owned the land and had maybe had that land in their family for hundreds of years.The land was owned by them, the population was born there, they worked the land.going to take their land.When the land was handed over to the Jewish people.
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Why don't they share the land?, no one person or persons really "owns" the land, sure humans take possession of the earth but they don't really "own" it. If they new what peace and love was all about and became brothers (so to speak) they might share with joy?, shrugs shoulders
 
Devlish said:
Yes I do realise that Hamas launch from civilian areas so the Isrealis will attack those areas and kill civilians. I can see through it, YOU can see through it, so if Israel, with its modern weaponry still decides to go ahead and do it rather than target the militants, then that makes them no better than Hamas.
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That doesn't even make sense. You're contradicting yourself. Israel are targeting militants, but those militants, cowards that they are, are using their own civilians as shields. You seem to be suggesting Israel is targeting civilians. Sorry bud, but only Hamas does that deliberately and without remorse.
 
Infuriating there is not much you can do to help the Palestinians , I blame the mullahs and imams.
 
Israel did not want Palestine. They wanted a nice clean new country with no existing citizens to get in the way of allowing all the worlds Jews to be allowed to settle the land.

Unfortunately even if you go back to the old testament the whole of the middle east was a mixture of tribes and no settled borders (until GB and France carved it up).

I have little sympathy for the current actions of either protagonist. I have deep sympathy for the jewish and arab citizens of Israel and Palestine who are so royally screwed by their leaders and religious factions on either side.

A two state solution is the only answer.
 
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