Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

[drunkenmaster]

I support Israel in that they put up with incessant attacks. Hit the dog too often, it'll bite you back...

You do realise Israel constantly attacks Palestine, like literally with no let up in 66 years. Always pushing for more territory, always pushing them back, always establishing a new "safety" line a little further forward, always going in and evicting people and taking their homes, blockading supplies, strangling them basically and yes people get killed in military/police action constantly.

It's VERY much a case of if you keep pushing people eventually they snap and fire a rocket in retaliation, and then Israel use that as an excuse for a further land grab.

Israel has, since before Israel was established(but the UN plan was in place, but with no legal basis to send in forces) goaded Palestinians into attacks which they use as excuses for military action.

I'm not comparing it but, it's like police in Brixton targeting black people for years, arresting them, stop and searching, throwing people in jail for no reason and eventually in retaliation someone throws a molotov at a police station, or just a riot... then the police use the seemingly out of the blue attack as a reason for a full scale crack down.

Israel have pushed and prodded the Palestinian people, completely and utterly oppressing them, with many reported killed, imprisoned, while they illegally occupy not just the ridiculously handed to them land but the land that is supposed to be Palestine. Then when their abhorrent behaviour provokes a response they pretend it's completely unprovoked and as such requires a full scale attack to drive off.

It's the school bully taking the little kids money every day for 5 years, then the kid showing up with a baseball bat and smacking him the first time he sees him that day.... then everyone ignoring what caused him to lash out and the kid who reacted getting in trouble, not the bully who is allowed to get away with daily attacks on people.

Israel couldn't be more in the wrong, and have been in the wrong every day for 60+ years.

 

[Abraxaz1]

I'm not talking about religion I'm talking about Palestine/Israeli conflict. If you want to about "Islamist Terrorists" nut jobs in Nigeria they do not follow the teaching of Islam,go read the Quran see it for yourself here are just a few quotes of what Islam teaches during times of war.

“Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

"Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

“Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

“Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)

“Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

“Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

I find it ironic that a yank is condemning the taking of a natives land, committing a act of genocide on said native people and stealing there wealth, when is the USA going to give back the land stolen from the native Americans back?

 

[Zethor]

Right so declaring a Jewish state in some one else land, killing/kicking out all none Jew's is not barbarous behaviour? yea good old Zionists they don't even follow the Jewish religion they are just as bad as Al Qaeda, Boko haram, ISIL.

The Jewish state was created because that's what the world powers decided at the time, the Jews didn't just flock from around the world, randomly placing flags. Besides, it's history now, they are there to stay and that's never going to change, nor will the country of Israel cease to exist. Crimeea was taken by Russia just months ago, do you ever see it going back to Ukraine, considering the Russian majority in it? It won't, what's done is done.

The Palestinians should get their **** together, they should get rid of their violent factions and they should give up on their unrealistic claims. And it's not just the Palestinians that have this problem, it's a major issue in the Arab World. Islamic Caliphate? Jihad? These are things of the past, they should let them go and seek progress or they will never rise from the mud in which they currently reside.

It's difficult to build a stable nation when your borders have been pushed significantly throughout history & have had a huge conflict without the benefit of large scale US aid.

Israel is only a civilised nation if you happen to be Israeli/from a nation they approve of, how Muslims are treated there is hardly what I'd call civilised.

Firstly, the Palestinians didn't have borders, they had a tribal society, one that more or less continues to exist today,

Secondly, the US aided lots of people, including the Taliban, in example, so it's how you use the aid that matters. Israel used it wisely, they worked, they built, they invested and look where they are now. The Taliban wasted it and we all know the consequences. I suspect that if the Jews held on viciously to the orthodox/literal side of their religious teachings, they would be in the same mess as the Islamists. They didn't, they chose progress and democracy.

A Muslim kid was brutally murdered by Israeli terrorists recently. They were arrested and there is now an undergoing a trial for terrorism. Muslims who respect the laws in Israel are treated fairly even if there probably is some discrimination happening (inevitable given the situation).

Israel couldn't be more in the wrong, and have been in the wrong every day for 60+ years.

Good luck accomplishing anything if you start with the premise that you were wronged decades/centuries ago. Palestinians with this mentality will not achieve anything other than fueling Israeli nationalism and violence.

 

[Xordium]

It's the school bully taking the little kids money every day for 5 years, then the kid showing up with a baseball bat and smacking him the first time he sees him that day.... then everyone ignoring what caused him to lash out and the kid who reacted getting in trouble, not the bully who is allowed to get away with daily attacks on people.

Israel couldn't be more in the wrong, and have been in the wrong every day for 60+ years.

You do realise the Jews can play that silly logic back far further than that. In fact they do and it's a poor reason from them too.

 

[arknor]

The Jewish state was created because that's what the world powers decided at the time

then maybe israel should fall back to the borders that were created at the time? their expansion has been illegal and the EU/UN nations have condemned them for it and even wanted sanctions but 14 countries can easily be ove ruled by the good old USA.

 

[Antony101]

I find it ironic that a yank is condemning the taking of a natives land, committing a act of genocide on said native people and stealing there wealth, when is the USA going to give back the land stolen from the native Americans back?

I find it ironic that you seem to forget America was found and inhabited by English Settlers and later taken back by "Americans" when they got sick of our rule.

People in England have no place to **** talk other countries pasts.

 

[Castiel]

You do realise the Jews can play that silly logic back far further than that. In fact they do and it's a poor reason from them too.

Unless you are talking about ancient antiquity or about things that had nothing to do with the Palestinians, effectively the Terrorist actions that caused the Arab-Jewish Civil War and then subsequently led to the Declaration of Israel started the ball rolling...given the declaration states that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture and then the Israeli Governments and Supreme Courts have spent the last 60 odd years wheedling out of it to justify what is effectively a creation of a Jewish State rather than the Secular one that the statement implies, I would say that the Palestinians have a right to be pretty annoyed, and we are as much to blame for letting it get to that point in the first place and giving in to terrorism. Becasue Israel was a state founded on Terrorism, so it is hardly surprising that Terrorism remains indicative in the regions politics.

 

[Xordium]

Unless you are talking about ancient antiquity or about things that had nothing to do with the Palestinians,

Yes that's exactly what I mean the very things they frequently mention time and time again.

 

[Castiel]

Yes that's exactly what I mean the very things they frequently mention time and time again.

I think that the Eretz Israel argument doesn't really have the validity of justification in the modern world compared to the plight of the Palestinians today.

 

[Tefal]

White phosphorous is not simply a 'smoke munition'. It can be used as such, but can also be used a a chemical weapon to kill. Our use of it in Iraq is just as contentious but irrelevant here.

except in the Israeli incidents it was used as rapid smoke. in Iraqi it was used as an incendiary weapon.

So do we hold you responsible for the war crime or are you innocent but all the Israelis are guilty barbarians?

 

[elJarmen]

The Jewish state was created because that's what the world powers decided at the time.

Just explain to me what right does these world powers have over granting somebody's land to the Israelis? Because if you can't then everything else you said is effectively irrelevant. Don't say "it's history now", "nothing is ever going to change", "deal with it". Surely if it was your country erased and your people slaughtered you wouldn't be saying these silly things?

 

[deuse]

I'm not talking about religion I'm talking about Palestine/Israeli conflict.

I am to.

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by many countries including United States, Russia, United Nations, and European Union.

And I think you've forgotten about the Hamas suicide attacks from 1993-2008.
They used to send little children to do their dirty work. I bet hamas has killed more of their own children then Israel have.

Hamas have been nothing but trouble since they got in.

 

[Xordium]

I think that the Eretz Israel argument doesn't really have the validity of justification in the modern world compared to the plight of the Palestinians today.

Neither do I. But it explains some of the thinking and rhetoric.

Did you enjoy watching the world cup or did you not watch it as part of a boycott of the ethnic cleansing that is sanctioned by the Brazilian government?

Just checking whether we apply the same standards across the board. How do you feel about the continues use of Diego Garcia and the forced removal of the people who lived there by the UK government?

 

[Zethor]

Unless you are talking about ancient antiquity or about things that had nothing to do with the Palestinians, effectively the Terrorist actions that caused the Arab-Jewish Civil War and then subsequently led to the Declaration of Israel started the ball rolling...given the declaration states that the State of Israel would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex, and guaranteed freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture and then the Israeli Governments and Supreme Courts have spent the last 60 odd years wheedling out of it to justify what is effectively a creation of a Jewish State rather than the Secular one that the statement implies, I would say that the Palestinians have a right to be pretty annoyed, and we are as much to blame for letting it get to that point in the first place and giving in to terrorism. Becasue Israel was a state founded on Terrorism, so it is hardly surprising that Terrorism remains indicative in the regions politics.

The type of terroism the Jews used worked for them, it accomplished something - a Jewish state. It doesn't work and will never accomplish anything for the Palestinians, except 50 casualties for every Israeli casualty. I understand their anger, they have a case for what they ask but the fact of the matter is, Israel will not give up on what it has taken nor is there someone willing to force them to do it. Life is unfair sometimes, the Palestinians have to accept this and move on, not throw stones, start riots, plant bombs and shoot rockets.

 

[ak22]

I am to.

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by many countries including United States, Russia, United Nations, and European Union.

And I think you've forgotten about the Hamas suicide attacks from 1993-2008.
They used to send little children to do their dirty work. I bet hamas has killed more of their own children then Israel have.

Hamas have been nothing but trouble since they got in.

I agree those Hamas suicide attacks are disgusting just as disgusting as the IFD bombing civilians, shooting children in cold blood or using them human shields.
Both governments have committed unjustified crimes but Israel are the ones in power to step back, stop blockades, land grabs, give the right for refugees to return and let U.N peacekeepers in, But under the current regime it won't happen.

 

[Castiel]

Neither do I. But it explains some of the thinking and rhetoric.

It does, I agree.

Did you enjoy watching the world cup or did you not watch it as part of a boycott of the ethnic cleansing that is sanctioned by the Brazilian government?

No I didn't watch the World Cup..I watch Manchester United and that's it..I don't follow England or International Football, I don't have the time...what ethnic cleansing are we referring to however?

Just checking whether we apply the same standards across the board. How do you feel about the continues use of Diego Garcia and the forced removal of the people who lived there by the UK government?

I disagree with that as well...a military base should never take precedence over the people indigenous to the region.

 

[elJarmen]

I am to.

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by many countries including United States, Russia, United Nations, and European Union.

And I think you've forgotten about the Hamas suicide attacks from 1993-2008.
They used to send little children to do their dirty work. I bet hamas has killed more of their own children then Israel have.

Hamas have been nothing but trouble since they got in.

What credibility does these countries/bodies have over designating an organisation as a terrorist or not? For many, same of these very same countries you mentioned are terrorists themselves..

Are you saying Hamas is a terrorist organisation because they have killed civilians? I agree with you. But doesn't that automatically make Israel a terrorist state too? If you look at the numbers for every like 100 Palestinian killed there were 1 Israeli (or something as silly). If Israel does it with their F16 and heavy bombers, it is no different that when Hamas had done it with suicide bombers.. And btw, it was never the case that any faction had used kids for suicide bombing, get your facts straight.

 

[Castiel]

The Palestinians have to accept this and move on, not throw stones, start riots, plant bombs and shoot rockets.

Move on to where?

 

[ak22]

The type of terroism the Jews used worked for them, it accomplished something - a Jewish state. It doesn't and will never accomplish anything for the Palestinians, except 50 casualties for every Israeli casualty. I understand their anger, they have a case for what they ask but the fact of the matter is, Israel will not give up on what it has taken nor is there someone willing to force them to do it. Life is unfair sometimes, the Palestinians have to accept this and move on, not throw stones, start riots, plant bombs and shoot rockets.

No one will help them and injustice is prevailing you expect them to not to fight?

 

[LOAM]

What about the unlawful killings that Islamist terrorists do every day of the week? I think they killed 300 men women and children today in Nigeria alone.

Religion should be banned.

Exactly, its better that they were killed in the name of cheese. Fact remains they still would have been killed because nutters be nutters!