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There is no denying that for some, criticism of 'Israel' is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their anti-semitic views (or Jew hatred if you want to be pedantic)

That is not certainly not the case for the vast majority, but it still stands.
 
There is no denying that for some, criticism of 'Israel' is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their anti-semitic views (or Jew hatred if you want to be pedantic)

That is not certainly not the case for the vast majority, but it still stands.

I agree. Also, a lot of Jews are cultural Jews only. They are secular and not religious. A common misconception I see on these forums is that they are all religious.
 
There is no denying that for some, criticism of 'Israel' is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their anti-semitic views (or Jew hatred if you want to be pedantic)

That is not certainly not the case for the vast majority, but it still stands.

If you open everything up to conjecture and smokescreens you can make a victim out of anyone.
 
they probably believe all of the teachings of the Talmud. I will just leave a few here:

After a quick google it seems that your quotes aren't accurate, though they do come up fairly often on right wing and Islamic sites they don't seem to coincide with the online versions of the Talmud.
 
There is no denying that for some, criticism of 'Israel' is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their anti-semitic views (or Jew hatred if you want to be pedantic)

That is not certainly not the case for the vast majority, but it still stands.
There is no denying that for some, criticism of the Palestinians is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their Islamophobic views. That is probably the case for the vast majority.

Of course whilst Jews are both members of a race and believers in some special Supreme Being, Muslims are just believers in some special Supreme Being so indiscriminately hating every living Muslim is perfectly acceptable and is not racist at all ;)
 
There is no denying that for some, criticism of the Palestinians is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their Islamophobic views. That is probably the case for the vast majority.

Of course whilst Jews are both members of a race and believers in some special Supreme Being, Muslims are just believers in some special Supreme Being so indiscriminately hating every living Muslim is perfectly acceptable and is not racist at all ;)

Good post.
 
There is no denying that for some, criticism of the Palestinians is used as a smokescreen for those wanting to express their Islamophobic views. That is probably the case for the vast majority.

Of course whilst Jews are both members of a race and believers in some special Supreme Being, Muslims are just believers in some special Supreme Being so indiscriminately hating every living Muslim is perfectly acceptable and is not racist at all ;)

You're quite correct, it's not racism, it's bigotry;)
 
It's horrible how many of our MPs are in the Conservative Friends of Israel. If you go on their home page, the banner is a bloody picture of David Cameron!

Thats why there is so much media bias the Zionists are well funded and have powerful lobbying organisation look at AIPAC for example.
 
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It's horrible how many of our MPs are in the Conservative Friends of Israel. If you go on their home page, the banner is a bloody picture of David Cameron!
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friends of israel is pretty much the entire conservative party that's why

Theres an article on it here from 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...he-heart-of-our-relationship-with-Israel.html
The warmth forged 107 years ago is today sustained by the Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI). Some 80 per cent of all Tory MPs are members, including most Cabinet ministers. No other lobbying organisation – and certainly not one that acts in the interests of a foreign country – carries as much weight at Westminster. Every year, it takes a significant number of parliamentarians to Israel. Meanwhile, its sponsors play an important role in financing both the Tories nationally, and MPs at the local level.
 
So that would make you a staunch anti-semite then. How marvellous to be able to see the world in black and white and not worry about the facts.

Oh you work with facts do you?

So how is supporting Palestine anti-semitic when they are semitic?

Many Jews are anti-zionism, are they anti-semitic as well?

Many Jews protest against Israel's treatment of Palestinians, are they anti-semitic as well?

Please don't label all members of a religion as the same as Israel. I worked in Israel after the 2006 events for 9 months, you would be surprised how many support the Palestinians plight, despite the home made rockets firing out of Gaza.

Hey I don't mind working with facts, but let's keep them accurate at least eh?

The word "Semite" and most uses of the word "Semitic" relate to any people whose native tongue is, or was historically, a member of the associated language family. The term "anti-Semite", however, came by a circuitous route to refer most commonly to one hostile or discriminatory towards Jews in particular.
 
It's horrible how many of our MPs are in the Conservative Friends of Israel. If you go on their home page, the banner is a bloody picture of David Cameron!
There is also a Labour Friends of Israel and of course, Blair was and still is an enthusiastic supporter of Israel.

Funnily enough, there appears to be no Conservative Friends of Palestine???

There IS a Labour Friends of Palestine http://www.lfpme.org/lfpme-supporters - and a Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine - http://www.ldfp.eu/ :)
 
A place where a people are forced to live in squalid conditions with little hope and no real freedom ?

doesn't sound like the gaza strip at all?

Afraid not. Nazi Ghetto's were death centres where the chosen method of execution was neglect through denial of food and medicines at first, and when that did not work fast enough, the entire population would be rounded up and shot/gassed.

Comparing that to the Gaza strip is ridiculous. They were until recently smuggling in luxuries and the like until Hamas backed the losing side in Egypt. Whatever your opinion of the blockade, there is no doubt that is centers around military items and not the necessities of life such as food and medicine, although there is a recognisable impact of the standard of living in the strip. But you wont see people starving.

A much better comparator would be Syria and Assad, where there is a policy of genocide against any rebel held civilian areas using artillery, rockets and barrel bombs which has so far resulted in the deaths of 150,000+ people. Yet somehow Israel and the US gets a multiple page thread and Syria is not really mentioned at all. Telling.
 
Oh you work with facts do you?

So how is supporting Palestine anti-semitic when they are semitic?

Many Jews are anti-zionism, are they anti-semitic as well?

Many Jews protest against Israel's treatment of Palestinians, are they anti-semitic as well?

Please don't label all members of a religion as the same as Israel. I worked in Israel after the 2006 events for 9 months, you would be surprised how many support the Palestinians plight, despite the home made rockets firing out of Gaza.

Hey I don't mind working with facts, but let's keep them accurate at least eh?

Oh good grief, read the initial comment at least before you blab on. He was labelling everyone who said anything that wasnt bashing Israel as a zionist. the point being that was as ridiculous as calling him an anti semite for saying anything that supported the palestinians. Although he then proved that to be the case by editing in quotes from the jewish holy book depicting jews as eaters of children etc, but that was besides the point.

Why do I have to explain this?
 
600 odd slaughtered so far, No western media outrage? :rolleyes:

Maybe because Hamas are hiding behind civilians and still firing rockets. The only outrage I feel is toward Hamas for putting their own people in harms way. Hamas have never cared about anyone. Jewish civilians, Palestinian civilians, it's all the same to Hamas. As long as they can score propaganda points in the world by blaming the Jews for the deaths Hamas causes, then they're happy.
 
Oh good grief, read the initial comment at least before you blab on. He was labelling everyone who said anything that wasnt bashing Israel as a zionist. the point being that was as ridiculous as calling him an anti semite for saying anything that supported the palestinians. Although he then proved that to be the case by editing in quotes from the jewish holy book depicting jews as eaters of children etc, but that was besides the point.

Why do I have to explain this?

Sorry but when people use phrases such as anti-semitic in relationship to an arab-israeli conflict it demonstrates a misunderstanding of the term. At least his was using correct terminology, even if it was misguided. Even in this post you say he was proven as anti semite with his further comments, again proving you misunderstand the term.

THAT is why you have to explain this!

Afraid not. Nazi Ghetto's were death centres where the chosen method of execution was neglect through denial of food and medicines at first, and when that did not work fast enough, the entire population would be rounded up and shot/gassed.

You realise Israel's blockade has been starving the Palestinians (intended) and restricting the supplies of water. Gassing no, their chosen speed up has been to use air strikes on populated areas, including those that people have fled to post leaflet drop. So actually it isn't as ridiculous as you suggest, albeit slightly exaggerated.

It astounds me that people also still believe that Palestinian Women and Children are gladly giving up their lives as human shields despite human shields NEVER having been successful in past conflicts, so now Netenjahu says Hamas wants civilian deaths, and again we believe it because we want to believe Hamas are terrorists in our blatant islamophobia.

We believe Hamas are hiding in hospitals, yet the Israeli pictures show they are nearby, not in. we know Israeli airstrikes CAN be pin point, as can their excellent tanks, yet still 3 shells are fired into a hospital? Human error? Maybe, but more likely deliberate terrorism against Palestinian civilians.

This whole human shield thing is being repeatedly used to justify the indiscriminate attacks on Gaza, they even say they are justified in using White Phosphorus in civilian areas (international war crime) as they are "military zones". That is the reality, Israel believes every Palestinian is a fair target.
 
Devilish, sliver, scorza are staunch zionists, why bother even arguing with them.

they probably believe all of the teachings of the Talmud. I will just leave a few here:

From someone who suggested that Sliver is both thick and ignorant, you should be very wary of having both of these "suggestions" thrown straight back at you. I am just trying to work out if you got your "talmudic" references come from David Duke here http://davidduke.com/jewish-hatred-of-non-jews-as-expressed-in-the-talmud/ , Der Sturmer, Stormfront or even this site well regarded for it's journalistic tendencies, http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/talmud.htm etc,

Seriously, is that like the best you can do? Probably half of those "references" don't exist, others are so poorly misinterpreted as to be laughable.

As an example, the word Cuthean does not even mean Gentile, it is a reference to an idolater...not a Muslim, Christian or even an atheist. That is just one example and of course that idolator is seemingly used interchangeably with Gentile.

Just to remind you of your post, this one is from Der Sturmer and is actually a little more fleshed out than then the one you posted.

1.The Eternal Jew is, unfortunately for him, the product of the Talmud. [Babylonian Talmud, page XII.]

2. The Jews refer to the remainder of Earth's inhabitants, the non Jewish peoples, as gentiles, goyim. Observe what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews about the non Jewish majority, that is, those who are not a part of Jehova's so called Chosen People:

3. The Jews are called human beings, but the non Jews are not humans! They are beasts! [Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b.]

4. The non Jew is like a dog! Yes, the Jewish scripture teaches us to honour the dog more than the non Jew! [Ereget Raschi Erod, 22, 30.]

5. Even though god created the non Jew, they are still animals in human form! It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal! Therefore he will be served by animals in human form! [Midrasch Talpioth, page 255.]

6. A pregnant non Jew is no better than a pregnant animal! [Coschen hamischpat, 405.]

7. The souls of non Jews come from impure sprits, and are called pigs! Jalkut Rubeni gadol, 12b.]

8. Although the non Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human! [Schene luchoth haberith, page 250 b.]

9. If you eat with a non Jew, it is the same as eating with a dog! [Tosapoth, Jebamoth, 94b.]

10. If a Jew has a non Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew! You should tell the Jew: God will replace your loss, just as if one of his oxen or asses had died! [Jore dea, 377, 1.]

11. Sex between non Jews is like sex between animals! [Talmud Sanhedrin, 74b.]

12. It is permitted to take the body and the life of a non Jew! [Sepher ikkarim, III, 25.]

13. It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah! The Christians belong to the ones who deny the Torah! [Coschen hamischpat, 425; Hagah 425, 5.]

14. You may kill outright a heretic non Jew with your own hands! [Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b.]

15. Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless non Jews, is doing the same as making a sacrifice to god! [Bammidber raba, 21; Jalkut, 772.]

16. The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book! Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism! [Erubin, 21b.]

17. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell! [Erubin, 21b.]

18. If a Jew is tempted to do evil, he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there! [Moed Kattan, 17a.]

19. Jews are divine! If a non Jew hits a Jew, the non Jew must be killed! Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting god! [Sanhedrin, 58b.]

20. It is recommended for Jews to cheat non Jews! [Sanhedrin, 57a.]

21. A Jew need not pay a non Jew the wages owed to him for work! Jews have superior legal status! [Baba Kamma, 37b.]

22. Jews may steal from non Jews! [Baba Mezia, 24a.]

23. If a Jew finds an object lost by a non Jew, it does not have to be returned! [Baba Kamma, 113b.]

24. God will not spare a Jew who marries his daughter to an old man, or takes a wife for his infant son, or returns a lost article to a non Jew! [Sanhedrin, 76a.]

25. Jews may rob and kill non Jews! When a Jew murders a non Jew, there will be no death penalty! What a Jew steals from a non Jew he may keep! [Sanhedrin 57a.]

26. Non Jews are outside the protection of the Law, and god has exposed their money to Israel! [Baba Kamma, 37b.]

27. Jews may lie to non Jews! [Baba Kamma, 113a.]

28. Jews may use lies to circumvent a non Jew! Non Jewish children are subhuman! All non Jew children are animals! [Yebamoth, 98a.]

29. Non Jewish girls are in a state of filth from birth! [Abodah Zarah, 36b.]

30. Non Jews prefer sex with cows! [Abodah Zarah, 22a-22b.]

31. The vessels of non Jews impart a worsened flavour to the food cooked in them! [Abodah Zarah, 67b.]

32. The mother of Jesus Christ was a whore! [Sanhedrin, 106a.]

33. A passage from Sanhedrin, 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died!

34. Sanhedrin, 43a says that Jesus was a sorcerer, and that he was executed because he practiced sorcery!

35. Gittin, 57a says that Jesus is currently being boiled in hot excrement!

36. Sanhedrin, 43a says that Jesus deserved execution!

37. Sanhedrin, 90a says that those who read the New Testament will have no portion in the world to come!

38. Shabbath, 116a says that Jews must destroy the books of the Christians!

39. Gittin, 69a says that, to heal his flesh, a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey, and eat it!

40. Shabbath, 41a gives The Law Regulating How To **** In A Holy Way

41. Yebamoth, 63a states that Adam had sex with all the animals in the Garden of Eden!

42. Yebamoth, 63a declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations!

43. Sanhedrin, 55b states that a Jew may marry a three year old girl!

44. Sanhedrin, 54b states that a Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old!

45. Kethuboth, 11b assures us that when a grown up man has sex with a little girl, it is nothing!

46. Yebamoth, 59b assures us that a woman who has had sex with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest! A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest!

47. Abodah Zarah, 17a states that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with!

48. Hagigah, 27a states that no rabbi can ever go to hell!

49. Baba Mezia, 59b tells us of how a rabbi once debated with god and defeated him, with god admitting that the rabbi won the debate!

50. Gittin, 70a teaches us that, on coming from an outdoor toilet, a man should not have sex until he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time, and that if he does have sex, his children will be epileptic!

51. Gittin, 69b assures us that in order to heal the disease of pleurisy, a Jew should take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, and eat it, although it may loosen the limbs!

52. Pesahim, 111a explains how it is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees, and that special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads!

53. Menahoth, 43b-44a states that a Jewish man must say the following prayer every day: Thank you, god, for not making me into a non Jew, a woman, or a slave!

54. Shabbath, 86a-86b informs us that, because Jews are holy, they can not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark, and that a Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark! Gittin, 57b claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar! Gittin, 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans!

55. Abodah Zarah, 70a states that the question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used, or if it was defiled due to the fact that the thieves might have been non Jews, since a non Jew touching wine would make the wine unclean. The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews!

56. Kallah, 51a teaches that god approves of rabbis who lie: The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head (Jesus Christ), Rabbi Eliezer remarked: He is a *******! Rabbi Joshua remarked: He is the son of a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period! Rabbi Akiba said: He is both a ******* and a son of a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period! Rabbis Eliezer and Joshua said to Akiba: What has induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues? Akiba replied: I will prove it concerning him. He went to the lad's mother (Mary, mother of Jesus) and found her sitting in the market selling beans. Akiba said to her: My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will grant you eternal life. She said to him: Swear it to me! Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her: What is the status of your son? She replied: When I entered the bridal chamber I was menstruating, and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had sex with me, and this son was born to me. Consequently, the child was both a ******* and the son of a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period! It was widely declared: Blessed be the god of Israel who revealed his secret to Rabbi Akiba!

57. Soferim, 15, rule 10 says that even the best of the non Jews should all be killed! (Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honour this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non Jews!

Neither catholic popes nor protestant leaders have insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn the Talmud! On the contrary, the heads of Jewish Christianity have urged the followers of Christ to obey, honour and support the followers of the Talmud!

I just picked one of these (#4) and here is an explaination. Feel free to read a few of the others at your own leisure:

I ask my kind reader to google "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog" and notice that except for my website the top results are all Muslim, Neo-Nazi, and other antisemitic sites. This is what they all quote: "Ereget Raschi Erod, 22 30: "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture says to honor the dog more than the non-Jew."

All these sites insist that the Talmud describes gentiles or non-Jews as non-human animals. All the sites have exactly the same copy-and-paste listing of a few dozen so-called references to the Talmud as proof of their assertion.

Not one of the dozens of quotes are actually from the Talmud and those few that are genuine sources in Jewish writings, do not say what is alleged, and in many case are complete fabrications where the cited source does not even exist. My article from yesterday, A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal, discusses a quote that does not appear anywhere in the cited text.

The Muslim, Jew-hating, Neo-Nazi sites headline their proofs with titles such as "The Talmud Exposed," "Non-Jews as seen in the Jewish Talmud," and "Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud."

On some forums Akum appears to mean "Negro" as in "The Akum (Negro) is like a dog. ..." I guess one of the Neo-Nazis wanted Blacks to hate Jews because of this quote. What an idiot, most Blacks already hate Jews [see my article Blacks are more Racist than Whites], they don't need any encouragement.

For the non-Jewish scholars among my readers Akum refers to idolators, specifically those who do not follow the Noahide Laws, and does not mean non-Jews in general. But so what? In English we have a word for idolators and who is being demeaned other than idolators? Even if the quote refers to a small subset of non-Jews, it doesn't matter because Ereget Raschi Erod is not part of the Talmud or Torah or of anything at all. The reference cited does not exist, and so the "quote" is a complete fabrication.

But how can this happen, how does such a lie begin life? Actually it is quite easy. I ask a few of my readers who have blogs to simply quote the following on their blog as if it were true:

This is Mohammed's opinion of love: "By the Prophets and all that is holy, there is nothing more pleasing to Allah than to see a Muslim lying in blissful embrace with a goat. Not just any goat, but one smelling of myrrh and dainty orchids. Such a coupling is of the greatest of all rewards, surpassing all other joys." Abu Planck Hadiths 24:7

The first ten bloggers to do this will show up on the first results page of a google search for "Mohammed's opinion of love." Although a dozen bloggers repeating this doesn't make it true, it's probably true anyway.

You can read others I am sure on his website http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2010/10/the_akum_nonjew_is_like_a_dog.html
 
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