Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

[Dr Who]

Maybe because Hamas are hiding behind civilians and still firing rockets. The only outrage I feel is toward Hamas for putting their own people in harms way. Hamas have never cared about anyone. Jewish civilians, Palestinian civilians, it's all the same to Hamas. As long as they can score propaganda points in the world by blaming the Jews for the deaths Hamas causes, then they're happy.

Israel is claiming Hamas are hiding in tunnels in a second city under Gaza, yet still they are bombing buildings in civilian areas inside and outside their published military zones.

Dropping Napalm in Vietnam didn't have any effect on tunnels. nor do air strikes in Gaza, however mass civilian casualties break the will of the people and remove support for Hamas which is Israel's real aim. In reality, every civilian death just creates more militants. Israel aren't blind to that, they are happy it allows them more legitimate targets.

 

[TJM]

Maybe because Hamas are hiding behind civilians and still firing rockets. The only outrage I feel is toward Hamas for putting their own people in harms way.

Like those kids on the beach. There was a rocket launcher in a sand castle with a retractable roof.

 

[Danthus]

Maybe because Hamas are hiding behind civilians and still firing rockets. The only outrage I feel is toward Hamas for putting their own people in harms way. Hamas have never cared about anyone. Jewish civilians, Palestinian civilians, it's all the same to Hamas. As long as they can score propaganda points in the world by blaming the Jews for the deaths Hamas causes, then they're happy.

 

[Sliver]

Using human shields is worse. Absolutely no doubt about it. Hamas have the choice not to do it and fight like men. They aren't men though, they're cowards, animals and terrorists. Why don't they use the tunnels they've dug into Israel to go and confront the Israeli military in Israel and then have it out with them ? They don't though do they, instead they use them to get closer to the Israeli civilians so that their rockets have more chance of killing them. Hamas are nothing but scum, I hate them with a passion. The Palestinian civilians on the other hand, I feel genuinely sorry for and it's terrible that they are caught in the middle of this mayhem.

 

[ak22]

Got to love the constant blame of 500+ civilians deaths on Hamas , when we see videos for IDF shooting/bombing civilians with no Hamas in sight and ignoring the fact that Israel are the occupying force...

Masters Of Propaganda

 

[dottty27]

Tbh the killing of kid's from both side's is p poor .. Yes using people as shield's is bad but so is launching a bomb at those people both sides are as bad as each other and the fact this has spilled over to the random img thread is bad

 

[drunkenmaster]

Using human shields is worse. Absolutely no doubt about it. Hamas have the choice not to do it and fight like men. They aren't men though, they're cowards, animals and terrorists. Why don't they use the tunnels they've dug into Israel to go and confront the Israeli military in Israel and then have it out with them ? They don't though do they, instead they use them to get closer to the Israeli civilians so that their rockets have more chance of killing them. Hamas are nothing but scum, I hate them with a passion. The Palestinian civilians on the other hand, I feel genuinely sorry for and it's terrible that they are caught in the middle of this mayhem.

No, they don't, Israel has been handed an army that man to man would wipe out Hamas in minutes.

Hamas do NOT have a choice. If they had military basis... I shouldn't say IF, WHEN they had basis, Israel blew them up, any centralisation, Israel blew them up. The ONLY option left to fight is to choose places Israel... at least at one stage, thought twice about blowing up.

When Hamas don't fight at all..... Israel strangle their supplies, move onto their land, create new settlements, destroy Palestinian houses, arrest Palestinians, and kill civilians anyway.

Human shields is a last resort, over 60 years Israel left them no other choice. Fight out in the open and be completely annihilated, or don't fight, and be annihilated more slowly.

If Israel had not received huge amounts of money and weapons from America from the VERY start 60+ years ago, they would not have the economy or army they do today. They were bankrolled to build up economic and military power. Without any support they'd have an army like Hamas, crappy rockets and ak's.... who knows who would win.

It's david vs goliath and Israel didn't build themselves into a goliath themselves, they were gifted a completely unmatched army/financial power in the region, completely unmatched. Without it, as a "fair" fight, who knows what would be happening.

 

[Sliver]

I stand by what I've said Drunkenmaster. Hamas are scum and the sooner Israel eradicates them the closer we'll be to peace and a two state solution. This would be expedited more quickly if we could find a way to stop Iran arming and bank rolling Hamas. Every terrorist organisation has a life span, none of them last forever. Hamas will meet their end at some point too.

 

[AGD]

How else are Hamas meant to fight? They have no income, no resources, and no decent weapons. Of course they hide in a civilian area because otherwise they'd be decimated in 10s by the US funded Israeli military.

However, a) many of the innocent children and women killed have not been near Hamas fighters e.g. children playing football on a beach, and b) it is obvious that shooting civilians is worse than hiding behind them.

It's not like the Israeli army doesn't realise there are civilians there, they know they will kill 80 innocent civilians for every 20 fighters, but apparently those are good enough odds for them. :/

 

[Sliver]

How else are Hamas meant to fight?

They should stop fighting and seek diplomacy. Not just a meretricious effort either with no intent, but a genuine effort at diplomacy where they are willing to compromise in order to get a deal. Something we nearly had under the Clinton administration until Arafat trashed the deal and decided to go back to terrorism.

Most of the criticism for the failure of the 2000 Camp David Summit was leveled at Arafat. Ehud Barak portrays Arafat’s behavior at Camp David as a “performance geared to exact as many Israeli concessions as possible without ever seriously intending to reach a peace settlement or sign an end to the conflict".

 

[Tombo]

So you hate the country, but not the people in it or what they are doing? Just the non-human bits then? Buildings and farmland and stuff like that?

So if you hate a certain group of Jewish people and what they are doing you an an Anti-Semite?

Maybe because Hamas are hiding behind civilians and still firing rockets. The only outrage I feel is toward Hamas for putting their own people in harms way. Hamas have never cared about anyone. Jewish civilians, Palestinian civilians, it's all the same to Hamas. As long as they can score propaganda points in the world by blaming the Jews for the deaths Hamas causes, then they're happy.

How exactly are they hiding behind civilians? If you pack a lot of people in a very small space and some of them try to attack the people keeping them there, are they hiding behind civilians? I don't understand the criticism of Hamas for keeping weapons in places like schools and residential areas, there's limited space to put things and if you just put all you weapons in one place then what happens when an air strike takes them all out? If someone takes hostages and starts shooting at the police the police don't then murder all of the hostages do they?

Using human shields is worse. Absolutely no doubt about it. Hamas have the choice not to do it and fight like men. They aren't men though, they're cowards, animals and terrorists.

Israel has also used Palestinian civilians as human shields in the past, literally by tying them to their vehicles and I'll ask you again what exactly is fighting like a man or fighting like a coward? Does fighting like a man mean acting like a retard and getting wiped out because you are facing superior numbers with a superior arsenal and international backing? Oh yes those cowardly people refusing to basically commit suicide.

 

[Sliver]

I don't understand the criticism of Hamas for keeping weapons in places like schools and residential areas

Which is why your moral compass is in the toilet.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

What I think sums up Israel's plight succinctly is the beautifully constructed propaganda. What they're doing is so horrible, even the Israeli government feels they have to justify it to themselves!!

 

[Tombo]

Which is why your moral compass is in the toilet.

Says the man who supports the bombing of civilians because there might be a few wronguns in the midst of them.

 

[ak22]

First NBC pull the reporter who covered the 4 children who were murder on the beach by a Israeli gunboat.

Then the CNN reporter gets fired for : “Israelis on hill above Sderot cheer as bombs land on gaza; threaten to ‘destroy our car if I say a word wrong’. Scum.

Now the Aljezzera staff have been shot at day after the Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman was quoted by local media as saying his country will work to close down Al Jazeera in Israel.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...-al-jazeera-bureau-gaza-2014722829152765.html

I guess "what you they can't see won't hurt"

 

[jaws104]

How exactly are they hiding behind civilians? If you pack a lot of people in a very small space and some of them try to attack the people keeping them there, are they hiding behind civilians? I don't understand the criticism of Hamas for keeping weapons in places like schools and residential areas, there's limited space to put things and if you just put all you weapons in one place then what happens when an air strike takes them all out? If someone takes hostages and starts shooting at the police the police don't then murder all of the hostages do they?

Complete nonsense. Are you even familiar with Gaza? There are tons of farms, shrubland and beaches far away from civilian areas. There is no need to fire rockets from towns, no need to store them in schools and hospitals.

It's safer for Hamas, that's the bottom line. They deliberately put their own civilians in harms way.

 

[arknor]

israel deliberately hides behind tanks , aircraft , boats , missiles , helicopters and drones.

hamas fight the only way they can without letting israel get away with what they have done.
fs hamas stop fighting and negotiate what are they going to get ? will the get the land israel have illegally occupied back?

if they just get to live in gaza in peace then what is the point of them living? what happens when they run out of space ? there is no future for them Israel stole it

 

[Sliver]

Complete nonsense. Are you even familiar with Gaza? There are tons of farms, shrubland and beaches far away from civilian areas. There is no need to fire rockets from towns, no need to store them in schools and hospitals.

It's safer for Hamas, that's the bottom line. They deliberately put their own civilians in harms way.

Spoiler

Thanks for that. I thought about posting a satellite image but given his post decided I'd be wasting my time. There was so much wrong in his post I just plucked the low hanging fruit and went with that.

 

[spoffle]

[/SPOILER]

Thanks for that. I thought about posting a satellite image but given his post decided I'd be wasting my time. There was so much wrong in his post I just plucked the low hanging fruit and went with that.

Picking the low hanging fruit is all you do, because that's as far as your reach extends.

 

[jaws104]

hamas fight the only way they can without letting israel get away with what they have done.
fs hamas stop fighting and negotiate what are they going to get ? will the get the land israel have illegally occupied back?

Using your civilian population as human shields is ok if you can launch rockets in relative safety

Hamas don't want occupied land back, they couldn't give a toss. Short-term they want militants out of prisons, long term they want to destroy Israel.