Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

[Sliver]

Picking the low hanging fruit is all you do, because that's as far as your reach extends.

Ooo. Snarky. Still butthurt from previous encounters with me on these forums ? Learn to forgive and move on spoffle. Every discussion is a new horizon, each horizon opens up new truths and new ways of seeing this world. Lets not live in the past. Lets take each new discussion as a new beginning.

 

[leaskovski]

israel deliberately hides behind tanks , aircraft , boats , missiles , helicopters and drones.

hamas fight the only way they can without letting israel get away with what they have done.
fs hamas stop fighting and negotiate what are they going to get ? will the get the land israel have illegally occupied back?

if they just get to live in gaza in peace then what is the point of them living? what happens when they run out of space ? there is no future for them Israel stole it

No, no, no and no.

Violence is not a solution full stop. Hamas need to stop what they are doing, and so does Israel. End of. Are you condoning what Hamas do, buy firing rockets in order to kill civilians?

 

[Tombo]

Complete nonsense. Are you even familiar with Gaza? There are tons of farms, shrubland and beaches far away from civilian areas. There is no need to fire rockets from towns, no need to store them in schools and hospitals.

It's safer for Hamas, that's the bottom line. They deliberately put their own civilians in harms way.

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I also mentioned how if they go out in the open and start firing then they'll be wiped out incredibly quickly and then what happens when there is no one left to stop their expansion, of course they are doing what is safer for them and I put more blame on the people that knowingly bomb civilians than the people who are among them, like I said in hostage scenarios the police don't just mow down everyone and call it a day.

[quote="Sliver, post: 26646530"][/SPOILER]

Thanks for that. I thought about posting a satellite image but given his post decided I'd be wasting my time. There was so much wrong in his post I just plucked the low hanging fruit and went with that. :)[/QUOTE]
You decided that you didn't actually have a response yourself so you thought you'd pick out a line selectively and attack it rather than the point I was making.

[quote="spoffle, post: 26646703"]Picking the low hanging fruit is all you do, because that's as far as your reach extends.[/QUOTE]

Indeed.

 

[zoomee]

Bit like Silver's posts in the image thread. Stupid cartoon's based on israeli propoganda doing the rounds.

Wonder if he posts the other stuff doing the rounds on israeli facebook pages like the calls to kill all the arabs? - pure racism.

If one was to extend to Silver levels they'd post this:

Ooops

 

[spoffle]

Ooo. Snarky. Still butthurt from previous encounters with me on these forums ? Learn to forgive and move on spoffle. Every discussion is a new horizon, each horizon opens up new truths and new ways of seeing this world. Lets not live in the past. Lets take each new discussion as a new beginning.

Oh lawd, you wish. I find you comical. You pretty much constantly accuse people of doing the very things that are your staples in arguments "encounters".

It's amusing that you're talking about opening up new horizons and seeing the world in a new way, you are one of the most stubborn people on these forums who will argue to the death even when you know you're wrong just because you can't admit it.

 

[Sliver]

Oh lawd, you wish. I find you comical. You pretty much constantly accuse people of doing the very things that are your staples in arguments "encounters".

It's amusing that you're talking about opening up new horizons and seeing the world in a new way, you are one of the most stubborn people on these forums who will argue to the death even when you know you're wrong just because you can't admit it.

Really. Well you're entitled to your opinion about me. Of course you're wrong as usual, but being wrong doesn't seem to be something that bothers you. You're just convinced you're right all the time.

If you want to change my mind about something spoffle all you have to do is present a reasoned rational argument with evidence. You never do these things though cup cake. It's all ad hominem's and fallacious reasoning, confirmation bias, selective quote mining, refusal to concede points when proven and move on, etc. etc.

You have the nerve to accuse me of being stubborn ? I've never once read a post from you to ANYONE on these forums where you've held your hands up and said, 'OK, I was wrong there guys and you were right.' I've done it before a few times on these forums, but unlike you, my main priority is not being right and never wrong. My main priority is of an epistemic nature and working toward that through debate.

 

[spoffle]

Really. Well you're entitled to your opinion about me. Of course you're wrong as usual, but being wrong doesn't seem to be something that bothers you. You're just convinced you're right all the time.

If you want to change my mind about something spoffle all you have to do is present a reasoned rational argument with evidence. You never do these things though cup cake. It's all ad hominem's and fallacious reasoning, confirmation bias, selective quote mining, refusal to concede points when proven and move on, etc. etc.

You have the nerve to accuse me of being stubborn ? I've never once read a post from you to ANYONE on these forums where you've held your hands up and said, 'OK, I was wrong there guys and you were right.' I've done it before a few times on these forums, but unlike you, my main priority is not being right and never wrong. My main priority is of an epistemic nature and working toward that through debate.

You keep telling yourself that, and one day it might become true (it won't).

But great, you're again accusing me of doing the very thing that you're doing. You just can't help it can you?

 

[Sliver]

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You decided that you didn't actually have a response yourself so you thought you'd pick out a line selectively and attack it rather than the point I was making.

Now you're inside my head is that it ? You're just assuming you know what I was thinking and then asserting that in your posts ? Is that how you talk to people in real life ? Just make stuff up about them when they say something you find disagreeable ? Bet you don't, you'd never get on with anyone treating them like that. But on the forums you think it's ok eh ? Well you're wrong m8y. It's nothing more than complete nonsense. Truth is you were boring me and I went for food and a beer in the garden. If I had to respond to every piece of garbage written on internet forums, I'd never be able to leave my PC.

Also the line I quoted from you was one of the saddest things I've ever read recently. You said you couldn't see a problem with Hamas having rockets/weapons in schools and residential areas. Your mind is twisted when you can't see the obvious abhorrence in a statement like that.

 

[Tombo]

That's a lot of words to basically say "No I didn't actually read or try to understand your post".

Also the line I quoted from you was one of the saddest things I've ever read recently. You said you couldn't see a problem with Hamas having rockets/weapons in schools and residential areas. Your mind is twisted when you can't see the obvious abhorrence in a statement like that.

I didn't say I couldn't see a problem with it, I said I didn't understand the level of criticism they get for keeping their weapons where they do.

 

[Sliver]

That's a lot of words to basically say "No I didn't actually read or try to understand your post".

No point in talking to you any more Tombo. This is the second time now in as many posts, that you've just assumed what I was thinking/did and then asserted that assumption in your reply. If all you can do is make things up about what you guess people might be doing/thinking, then you're really just wasting every ones time including your own.

I'll come back to this topic later, much later. Maybe then, the debate will be more about the topic rather than the people taking part.

 

[Frightful Boar]

No, no, no and no.

Violence is not a solution full stop. Hamas need to stop what they are doing, and so does Israel. End of. Are you condoning what Hamas do, buy firing rockets in order to kill civilians?

Where are you getting your information from?

Complete annihiliation of one side in a conflict is definitely a solution. Normally achieved by violence. In fact history has shown you don't even need to kill them all, just enough to shut the majority up, deal with the resultant whinging and terrorism for a few years and then everybody eventually forgets about it.

Looking at both sides, if I were Israel I'd destroy Hamas without mercy and were I Palestine, I'd start thinking about how to placate Israel. There's only one winner in this battle.

When you can just stop fighting to allow your children to live a relatively decent life and you don't because of some feeble argument about land (that you will never ever win), and you don't, you deserve all you get.

 

[StriderX]

I have no interest anymore, neither side gives a damn, so we should just stop bothering.

 

[RDM]

That's a lot of words to basically say "No I didn't actually read or try to understand your post".


I didn't say I couldn't see a problem with it, I said I didn't understand the level of criticism they get for keeping their weapons where they do.

Your comment was pretty appalling though, even if you agree with the rocket attacks storing the rockets in a school is pretty reprehensible and so fully deserving of criticism.

 

[Tombo]

Yes schools is going a bit far but they are a desperate people and it doesn't excuse Israel for bombing them, I suppose I didn't express it very well but I wasn't trying to say it was a perfectly fine thing do just that to put more blame on them seems unfair.

 

[Castiel]

Complete nonsense. Are you even familiar with Gaza? There are tons of farms, shrubland and beaches far away from civilian areas. There is no need to fire rockets from towns, no need to store them in schools and hospitals.

It's safer for Hamas, that's the bottom line. They deliberately put their own civilians in harms way.

Hamas (and other militant groups) fire most of their rockets from outside Gaza City and the other populated areas, they use tunnels and a system of underground caches for most of their weapons as well. That isn't to say that weapons are not kept in other areas as well, or that some rockets fire doesn't come from populated areas, but it is a misconception to believe that is the norm..it is not. This is the reason why Israel are having problems with tackling the militants on the ground, their system of caches and interconnecting tunnels are causing all kinds of issues with the operation...Israeli Military only stated yesterday that it appears that Hamas has built what amounts to an underground city under Gaza.

 

[zoomee]

How Israel is being defeated in Gaza just as it was in Lebanon

Israel has so far admitted to 27 dead soldiers in just four days of ground operations. That's a higher daily casualty rate than it suffered in Lebanon.

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/how-isra...n-gaza-just-as-it-was-in-lebanon#.U87r5fldWgv

 

[Eurofighter]

Jews are an ethnicity and a religion and not a race. They deserve no special treatment when it comes to being critisised. However obviously to insult jews is still a massive generalisation but "Anti semitism" shouldn't be used to avoid being critisised.

The Isrealies aren't doing anything wrong. Hamas is firing rockets at them. Just because they can stop most of them doesn't mean they should ignore it.

They should and do attack back but with Hamas using human shields, pretending to be civilians, Palastinians not evacuating areas when told to do so and Gaza being the most densly populated place on earth civillians are going to get killed and injured.

Either Palestine needs to sort out it's leadership and Hamas stop starting fights they can't win and breaking ceasefires and just get on with it or Isreal should just get it overwith, invade, occupy and help form some kind of half decent leadership for the place.

 

[Frightful Boar]

Bit like Silver's posts in the image thread. Stupid cartoon's based on israeli propoganda doing the rounds.

Wonder if he posts the other stuff doing the rounds on israeli facebook pages like the calls to kill all the arabs? - pure racism.

If one was to extend to Silver levels they'd post this:

Ooops

The mere fact that you've accused Israelis of racism just goes to show why people fail at this debate. Of course they are racist, it's part of their religion which in turn makes it absolutely normal for them. The whole "boohoo racism" thing is only public opinion and relatively modern so I wouldn't put too much stock in judging people badly on the fact that they don't like a certain group of people.

I'm sure a million people are now going to quote the bible in order to "prove" me wrong, but they are God's chosen people and many of their dogmatic laws are to keep them separate from others.

God has told them to protect their homeland and they'll do it with extreme prejudice. If only we had that passion about our country! Most of you are probably atheists or only halfheartedly believe in God, so aren't able to relate, but if you had a firm conviction that He was telling you to do something, a bunch of clueless, yet hysterical, foreigners wouldn't be able to dissuade you.

 

[boxman2000]

Why would I do that? There is no "right" side in this conflict. If anything Israel should be commended for holding off for as long as they have.

There is been death and horrible killings from both sides.

If I was born Palistinian I am sure I would hate the Israelis, if I was in Israel surrounded by enemies I'd have a damn itchy trigger finger.

As I said... there is no "right" side in this conflict. Anyone not directly involved should steer well clear.

Couldn't have put it better to be honest.

Anyone who thinks Israel are solely to blame must purely be watching the BBC News.

 

[scorza]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28424396

A Lib Dem MP has been accused of making "vile comments" on social media about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

David Ward tweeted on Tuesday: "The big question is - if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes".

I don't get why this tweet has caused such a reaction, I know a vile tweet when I see it and this doesn't seem particularly vile to me, it's empathy.

We all know the Israeli lobby is very strong, but just how strong in this country?