Chicken -contaminated with campylobacte.

[CREATIVE!11]

Umad?

Look at documentary Food Inc, and check out countless other sources too.

Edit: However there are options such as free range grass fed beef etc, but that stuff costs a BOMB and you have to ensure the source is good. I assume you can also get free range poultry that will have been raised similarly so carry less of the problems.

 

[Freefaller]

Not mad, I just have a clue about diet and nutrition

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Not mad, I just have a clue about diet and nutrition

Amazing, so you'll have some sources then that state processed meat is bacteria free? because I'm not saying meat is inherently bad for you (Like some people believe but I think there is a balance to be struck), but if you look at the industry it's easy to justify not eating it unless you can find quality stuff. That was the reason I stopped eating meat, articles like this just serve as another reminder.

 

[Freefaller]

I've never said anything of the sort. I don't get your point.

You know bacteria exists everywhere, inside your guts, inside the eggs and veg you eat, and in the dairy you consume. Do you boil or irradiate every food you eat?

 

[Art]

Amazing, so you'll have some sources then that state processed meat is bacteria free?

"Oh noes, bacteria!"

Bacteria are everywhere. Even the nasty ones get all over the place. Did you know that water regulations don't say that tap water has to be free of pathogens, just that they have to be below a certain level?

Giving something up partly because it might have some degree of pathogenic bacterial contamination is pointless. Like others have said, even if chicken is contaminated by Campylobacter sp. you're fine as long as you cook it properly.

 

[balky12]

I was offered chicken sashimi once

In Asia raw chicken is quite the norm. But these chickens are wild, not farmed where they pick up a lot of the bacteria we are familiar with.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I've never said anything of the sort. I don't get your point.

You know bacteria exists everywhere, inside your guts, inside the eggs and veg you eat, and in the dairy you consume. Do you boil or irradiate every food you eat?

Yeah because E.coli is great for me.

Better throw in some growth hormones and abundance of anti biotics too. Dat health benefits. Better yet they want to wash meat (In the USA mind... not sure of practices here) with ammonium hydroxide. EVEN MORE HEALTH BENEFITS!

But this is true, there is bacteria in veg eggs whatever, but it depends what ones and in what concentrations.

 

[TheMightyTen]

Amazing, so you'll have some sources then that state processed meat is bacteria free? because I'm not saying meat is inherently bad for you (Like some people believe but I think there is a balance to be struck), but if you look at the industry it's easy to justify not eating it unless you can find quality stuff. That was the reason I stopped eating meat, articles like this just serve as another reminder.

Oh dear if only treating idiocy was as simple as treating the bacteria and yeasts that naturally grow on our meat and vegetable produce

Then again maybe cooking them properly will get rid of infectious lunacy the same way as we do natural pathogens in our food!

 

[balky12]

I got blasted in my diet thread for explaining why I don't eat meat....

This is why,

Enjoy your health problems.

You don't eat meat because there is a small chance you might become ill if you do not cook the food in a proper manner?

Fair play, strange, but fair play.

 

[Freefaller]

In Asia raw chicken is quite the norm. But these chickens are wild, not farmed where they pick up a lot of the bacteria we are familiar with.

That's what I was told. Whilst I'm brave, I've been too indoctrinated by living in the West for so long. Though to be fair, the flesh of poultry doesn't appeal to me as much as raw lamb/beef or fish.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Oh dear if only treating idiocy was as simple as treating the bacteria and yeasts that naturally grow on our meat and vegetable produce

Then again maybe cooking them properly will get rid of infectious lunacy the same way as we do natural pathogens in our food!

BRB gonna cook out the ammonium hydroxide.

You don't eat meat because there is a small chance you might become ill if you do not cook the food in a proper manner?

Fair play, strange, but fair play.

That and the industry itself dude, not just health reasons. I mean obviously a lot of stuff is always based on the state in america, but it wouldn't shock me if similar practices are used in Europe.

As I said above you can get good meat, but you need to know your sources.

 

[TheMightyTen]

Yeah because E.coli is great for me.

So why do you have living naturally within you and it even has positive effects?

https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Escherichia_coli


Perhaps you need to define the specific strain of E. coli to which you refer that bothers you so much


Any way time to leave thread before I become actually angry with the foolishness of some elements of the Human race and acquire myself a holiday

/Abandons downward spiralling thread

 

[balky12]

That's what I was told. Whilst I'm brave, I've been too indoctrinated by living in the West for so long. Though to be fair, the flesh of poultry doesn't appeal to me as much as raw lamb/beef or fish.

I haven't tried it myself. Apparently the flesh is different to what we are use to over here as well. Although I can not varify this. But I agree, if it was like what we have as raw chicken I don't think I could bring myself to eat it, even if it was bacteria free.

I do however love a good bit of raw steak. Lamb on the pink side is nice to!

 

[CREATIVE!11]

So why do you have living naturally within you and it even has positive effects?

https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Escherichia_coli


Perhaps you need to define the specific strain of E. coli to which you refer that bothers you so much

Yep, of course but I was only saying as a blanket statement for emphasis. But you're all big boys, I'm sure you can go read for yourselves, I tried to give logical serious replies ages ago and it doesn't get you anywhere. People will argue their point to the death. You'll just see articles surface like this one now and again and it's enough evidence for me to give it thought to what I eat/where It comes from.

 

[balky12]

As I said above you can get good meat, but you need to know your sources.

Costco.

Failing that local butcher?

Least I have never had a problem with either, normally quite helpful in cooking methods.

 

[CrispyOtter]

"Oh noes, bacteria!"

Bacteria are everywhere. Even the nasty ones get all over the place. Did you know that water regulations don't say that tap water doesn't have to be free of pathogens, just that they have to be below a certain level?

Giving something up partly because it might have some degree of pathogenic bacterial contamination is pointless. Like others have said, even if chicken is contaminated by Campylobacter sp. you're fine as long as you cook it properly.

Exactly correct sir... regulations exist within food standards for all foods whether they are processed or unprocessed, fruits, veggies, meats, dehydrates, powders, liquids, or basically anything that a person can come into contact with (pre or post process) and also anything a person can buy and consume.

I am a senior microbiologist in a water testing laboratory but was previously employed at a food testing laboratory. We tested everything (including salad/vegetable items which were filled with bacteria even after being irradiated by the way) and bacterial contamination is an unavoidable part of life! Food regulations set up by government sate that bacterial levels for various contaminants within food items should be under certain level else it should be investigated. The risk really is negligible.

As many have said bacteria are absolutely everywhere. A misunderstanding of the risks involved and an effort to scare people into buying cleaning products and newspapers is really all that is going on here.

 

[Art]

We tested everything (including salad/vegetable items which were filled with bacteria and even after being irradiated by the way

I love the story of D. radiodurans: a bunch of people trying to figure out how much radiation you need to sterilise cans of food and discovering that even supposedly lethal-to-all-life doses couldn't kill something in a can of meat.

A misunderstanding of the risks involved

Definitely. It is pretty much the same thing as the Ebola thread a couple of weeks back where border agents were told to be more vigilant for symptoms in people from certain countries. It's nothing to freak out over, just a precaution.

 

[Freefaller]

Exactly correct sir... regulations exist within food standards for all foods whether they are processed or unprocessed, fruits, veggies, meats, dehydrates, powders, liquids, or basically anything that a person can come into contact with (pre or post process) and also anything a person can buy and consume.

I am a senior microbiologist in a water testing laboratory but was previously employed at a food testing laboratory. We tested everything (including salad/vegetable items which were filled with bacteria even after being irradiated by the way) and bacterial contamination is an unavoidable part of life! Food regulations set up by government sate that bacterial levels for various contaminants within food items should be under certain level else it should be investigated. The risk really is negligible.

As many have said bacteria are absolutely everywhere. A misunderstanding of the risks involved and an effort to scare people into buying cleaning products and newspapers is really all that is going on here.

Excellent post. Thank you

 

[Xordium]

How is it stupid, people nowadays have crap immune systems because they're always so worried buying all these antibacterial sprays and things and using antibiotics. It's like they have no concept of developing natural immunity to things and they wonder why they get sick!

I guess my fears were true.

Yeah because E.coli is great for me.

Well you will have e.coli in you won't you. What you don't want of course is e.coli 0157 to be entering your mouth if you have a certain genetic disposition.

 

[Xordium]

As many have said bacteria are absolutely everywhere.

Yes, they are. However, we are not talking about all bacteria are we - we are talking about specific bacteria. There is also a difference between making modest and sensible precautions and going OCD on it all. There is also a big difference in the infective load caused by taking reasonable precautions and not.

Basic risk management would dictate that when the end result is potentially very severe that small measures to mitigate that risk are desirable.