Chicken -contaminated with campylobacte.

[Destination]

Lol, after my first read through I thought he meant use UV light to sanitise your hands.

LOL, yes I suppose you could use it to do that, would badly burn your skin and give you skin cancer over time no doubt
Nice sterile cancer.....

 

[CrispyOtter]

So actually in this specific case - I was correct and actually the bacteria is not found everywhere in suitable load to cause an infection but as I termed it: "It is concentrated in very specific locations after very specific events!"

Specific but very common events yes. After all, all meat is from an animal. Therefore all meat is a source of contamination.

Have I said differently? I would also point out that there is marked quantitative difference from when we say moved from fatal cases to cases which necessitate complicated therapy specifically in the example we were discussing where you can use antibiotics to combat the bacterial infection.

No you have not... but food poisoning is a common, non-fatal occurrence... not a special case. Symptoms can vary from person to person, organism to organism. Generally if you have a stomach ache or the trots... you have food poisoning. Your body is designed to combat these illnesses. They are as routine as blowing your nose.

Which is what I have said - reasonable precautions. Which makes you wonder why you spending so much time challenging my posts - someone you allegedly agree with and yet feel free to not challenge the posts made by people who say that such basic precautions are not required and have some rather strange ideas about the Hygiene hypothesis and how the immune system works.

Although this is the internet and hostility on all fronts is rife... friendly debate and education was all I offered. At no point have I actually challenged any of your views (as they are mostly shared). Merely extended clarification and avoiding broad statements was my intent. Bacteria is everywhere after all... and the media loves a frenzy and a catchy headline to often misinform the general public.

So again using the same example you would be able to find e.coli 0157 on or in my house would you in an infective loading dosage with the exception of food? Really. So it would be fair to say the risk factor for that particular bacteria would actually be the food which we both agree should be prepared sensibly with socially clean hands and cooked well.

Generally speaking transference of a bacteria is more likely from a human or animal source. In other words you come into contact with it and it is on your clothes or hands and you track it onto surfaces or it is on packaging of food which is prepared in the same place as the meat. This can be unavoidable... unless you screen and meticulously wash or autoclave everything. I would certainly find some very nasty bugs regardless if I were to swab any place

Time is usually more a threat... E.coli has a reproductive cycle of 20 minutes... so even 1 cell can become 8 in an hour... and a visible colony within hours. Remember 'the war against bacteria' is one we will never win... and wound never want to... useful as they are!

 

[Xordium]

Your body is designed to combat these illnesses.

This really is the key point isn't it. The body is designed and has evolved to fight these illnesses, or has not in the case of certain genetic makeups. However, what the body has evolved to do and what we not subject that body to are two very different things. We have to assume that the population will be more susceptible as it will have had evolutionary pressures removed.

Anyway nice chatting to you. I also agree bacteria are very useful but also very harmful which why I bang my head on the desk at peoples willingness to kill the good ones whilst displaying a total lack of respect for the ones we should avoid.

 

[Energize]

LOL, yes I suppose you could use it to do that, would badly burn your skin and give you skin cancer over time no doubt
Nice sterile cancer.....

My thoughts wandered to that I suppose because I keep fish and UV sterilisers are used in the tanks.

 

[stopper]

Why does the U.K not have better food safety?

Because our beloved government sold our British standards to the EU, along with our sovereignity. The EU now regulates our food supply.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

I've never seen bacteria on my hands under uv light even when I haven't washed my hands. Does it even work?

No it doesn't work.
I think the chap is confused.

What often is done, is you coat your hands in a powder, then wash and then use the light to see if any of the powder remains, it is to demonstrate accurate and correct hand washing technique.

The light doesn't actually show bacteria, it shows a powder that displays under the light.

Yeah, I meant the powder thing. I blame the heat

 

[Gilly]

Remember 'the war against bacteria' is one we will never win... and wound never want to... useful as they are!

Absolutely. We'll never fight off invasion from Mars without them!

 

[Destination]

Yeah, I meant the powder thing. I blame the heat

Well if the uv light is showing no powder traces remaining on your hands after you've washed them then good, it means you have an adequate hand washing technique and should persist with that.
Good hand washing with liquid soap is the best way to minimise spread of contact spread diseases.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

Well if the uv light is showing no powder traces remaining on your hands after you've washed them then good, it means you have an adequate hand washing technique and should persist with that.
Good hand washing with liquid soap is the best way to minimise spread of contact spread diseases.

I've never done it myself. I was referring to a recent TV program where they did it with both anti-bacterial soap and normal soap and there was no difference.

 

[Woden]

I have an oven, so I am not to bothered about this.

Absolutely. We'll never fight off invasion from Mars without them!

The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million to one.

 

[Surveyor]

The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million to one.

-but still they come!

 

[MrMoonX]

Because our beloved government sold our British standards to the EU, along with our sovereignity. The EU now regulates our food supply.

The eu has done more to protect food than the uk government has. The Tories want to allow gm crops and god knows how easily they can be bought off by the sugar lobby for example

 

[Xordium]

I've never done it myself. I was referring to a recent TV program where they did it with both anti-bacterial soap and normal soap and there was no difference.

Why would anti-bacterial soap be any better for getting rid of powder? Please tell me they didn't test it that way.

Besides hasn't the anti-bacterial agent been show to be detrimental to tissue viability?

 

[MichaelAwkward]

Why would anti-bacterial soap be any better for getting rid of powder? Please tell me they didn't test it that way.

I can't remember them using any powder tbh.

Here it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04bwhkg/the-men-who-made-us-spend-episode-2 Skip to 30 minutes in.

 

[Xordium]

I can't remember them using any powder tbh.

Here it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04bwhkg/the-men-who-made-us-spend-episode-2 Skip to 30 minutes in.

Well it is unclear how they did that tbh. It could be either way but lol at the woman washing his hands whilst wearing something on both wrists. Great example of what not to do!

 

[RoboCod]

Exactly correct sir... regulations exist within food standards for all foods whether they are processed or unprocessed, fruits, veggies, meats, dehydrates, powders, liquids, or basically anything that a person can come into contact with (pre or post process) and also anything a person can buy and consume.

I am a senior microbiologist in a water testing laboratory but was previously employed at a food testing laboratory. We tested everything (including salad/vegetable items which were filled with bacteria even after being irradiated by the way) and bacterial contamination is an unavoidable part of life! Food regulations set up by government sate that bacterial levels for various contaminants within food items should be under certain level else it should be investigated. The risk really is negligible.

As many have said bacteria are absolutely everywhere. A misunderstanding of the risks involved and an effort to scare people into buying cleaning products and newspapers is really all that is going on here.

YES, BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! WE MUST BLEACH EVERYTHING!!!

I got blasted in my diet thread for explaining why I don't eat meat....

This is why,

Enjoy your health problems.

^ I love these kind of people, they brighten up my world

 

[Energize]

The eu has done more to protect food than the uk government has. The Tories want to allow gm crops and god knows how easily they can be bought off by the sugar lobby for example

Sugar lobby lol, so many conspiracy theories. GM crops are perfectly safe to eat.

 

[kibblerok]

As we've seen with the horse meat scandal, most people will shove any old **** into their fat pasty faces without really thinking about it, and the cheaper the better.

The horse meat issue wasn't about eating horses, it was companies looking after their bottom line by padding out their products with inferior meat from unknown sources. This problem isn't about the bacteria per se, it's the fact guidelines meant to safeguard the production line are being disregarded and chicken that falls on the floor is being placed back into products.

And this is before we get onto the details on how this meat is swimming in bacteria and disease to start with. Chickens spending their life walking around in cramped conditions in their own waste where disease and bacteria is rife due to the very nature of the industrial process they are raised in.

 

[footman]

I have tried to wash my chicken but I gave up because of all the squawking and flapping, feathers all over the bathroom.
She didn't like it and neither did I so she can just go dirty from now on.