Can God make mistakes? How many 'likes' will it take for him to back down?

Hades · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:15

Thompson_NCL said:
God created the universe, this does not mean that he is god in his own universe. Only for us.

So if I make a computer game with simulated people in it then I am a god?

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:16

MichaelAwkward said:
So why could multiple Gods have made the universe together?

They could have done, but religions don't allow for that. They state that THEIR God or Gods made the universe, and no one else.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:20

dirtychinchilla said:
They could have done, but religions don't allow for that. They state that THEIR God or Gods made the universe, and no one else.

Then the religions could be wrong? They have changed their tunes on various issues quite often throughout history.

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:24

MichaelAwkward said:
Then the religions could be wrong? They have changed their tunes on various issues quite often throughout history.

Yes indeed, but I doubt very much that any religion is going to say that their God is not actually the real God, and that one of another religion is

grudas · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:26

what god?

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MichaelAwkward · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:27

dirtychinchilla said:
Yes indeed, but I doubt very much that any religion is going to say that their God is not actually the real God, and that one of another religion is

Surely if they accept multiple Gods, they'd all be real?

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:30

MichaelAwkward said:
Surely if they accept multiple Gods, they'd all be real?

The fact that people accept something does not make it real :confused:

What's your point, man, instead of taking me down this winding path of weird questions?!

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:30

grudas said:
what god?

DON'T QUOTE IT

This is utterly asinine. Only the fat **** believes he can fly in that scenario, if he wants to believe that he can go right ahead. The belief in the divine is as old as man and held by billions of people across the planet. Furthermore, proof in the fat ***** ability to fly can be tried and tested. You cannot test the divine, since it exists outside of the material world.

You simply cannot compare the two, not even at the most base level.

Glaucus · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:31

dirtychinchilla said:
What's your point, man, instead of taking me down this winding path of weird questions?!

Trying to confuse everyone, to make his stupid post sound better. He knows he posted rubbish, but rather than just accepting it..

grudas · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:33

Thompson_NCL said:
This is utterly asinine. Only the fat **** believes he can fly in that scenario, if he wants to believe that he can go right ahead. The belief in the divine is as old as man and held by billions of people across the planet. Furthermore, proof in the fat ***** ability to fly can be tried and tested. You cannot test the divine, since it exists outside of the material world.

You simply cannot compare the two, not even at the most base level.

^^ is pretty much why religion will sooner or later end the humanity

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:34

Thompson_NCL said:
This is utterly asinine. Only the fat **** believes he can fly in that scenario, if he wants to believe that he can go right ahead. The belief in the divine is as old as man and held by billions of people across the planet. Furthermore, proof in the fat ***** ability to fly can be tried and tested. You cannot test the divine, since it exists outside of the material world.

You simply cannot compare the two, not even at the most base level.

Not really. The divine may exist outside the material world, but when you claim something exists, then the burden of proof lies with you. There are no two ways about it.

dowie · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:36

dirtychinchilla said:
OK fair enough. I firmly believe that all Gods and religions are an entirely human construct. If you say that God does indeed exist, whichever religion you follow, you have the belief that your god was the one(s) who created the universe. Only one (or all) of them can have created the universe, therefore they must all be the same God(s).

does that mean Prince Philip is Allah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement

(Religions are funny things though it is interesting that most groups of humans around the world seem to keep on inventing them)

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:37

dowie said:
does that mean Prince Philip is Allah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement

(Religions are funny things though it is interesting that most groups of humans around the world seem to keep on inventing them)

Haha yeah I love that religion!! Although religious people (I'd imagine) mostly see it as a joke and mocking their religion, it is basically how all religions were created, in a nutshell.

FoxEye · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:37

Hades said:
If God created the universe then who created god? God doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense either way.

If you believe in God you believe he has always existed, and had no beginning. This is a very difficult concept to comprehend.

If you don't believe in God/creation, then you also have an impossible task. You have to explain how matter/energy always existed.

Where did God come from?
Where did matter/energy come from?

Two unanswerable questions, surely.

Sliver · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:39

dirtychinchilla said:
Not really. The divine may exist outside the material world, but when you claim something exists, then the burden of proof lies with you. There are no two ways about it.

Exactly right.

Also, how the hell do the religious know that God exists outside the material world ? Who told them that ? Or did they just pull that one out their ass to avoid answering difficult questions ?

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:40

dirtychinchilla said:
Not really. The divine may exist outside the material world, but when you claim something exists, then the burden of proof lies with you. There are no two ways about it.

But it's an impossible proposition. It's like a blind person asking me to prove that vision exists. How can I possibly show them something which they will never be able to see? The only way to do that is through logic, reason and deduction: there is no material evidence for that which exists outside the material world.

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:40

Sliver said:
Exactly right.

Also, how the hell do the religious know that God exists outside the material world ? Who told them that ? Or did they just pull that one out their ass to avoid answering difficult questions ?

That's what I've always felt. It's really a question with no answer, like Foxeye said. The answer can never be known, but to justify your religion, there has to be some sort of answer. I don't believe that there's anything outside the physical world.

dirtychinchilla · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:42

Thompson_NCL said:
But it's an impossible proposition. It's like a blind person asking me to prove that vision exists. How can I possibly show them something which they will never be able to see? The only way to do that is through logic, reason and deduction: there is no material evidence for that which exists outside the material world.

Then you believe in a god without any evidence. That may be acceptable for you, and I understand that, but for me it's completely inadequate. It's a stupid answer to get around a problem that exists with religion.

Having said that, though, it's the same question as, how did the material that caused the big bang get there in the first place...unanswerable again.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:43

dirtychinchilla said:
The fact that people accept something does not make it real

What's your point, man, instead of taking me down this winding path of weird questions?!

You said that there couldn't be multiple Gods. My line of questioning proved that there could be?

Glaucus said:
Trying to confuse everyone, to make his stupid post sound better. He knows he posted rubbish, but rather than just accepting it..

What? Which post of mine was stupid and what am I supposed to be accepting? :confused:

dowie · 26 Jul 2014 at 21:44

dirtychinchilla said:
Haha yeah I love that religion!! Although religious people (I'd imagine) mostly see it as a joke and mocking their religion, it is basically how all religions were created, in a nutshell.

yup... cargo cults are also an amusing illustration of religions forming - they've set up replica airstrips in the hope that one day those magical flying machines will be sent down from the gods again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

it seems humans do have a tendency to assign stories/supernatural beliefs to things we don't understand... how life came about etc.. or a coping mechanism for death/our mortality whether that be an 'afterlife' or 'reincarnation'.