CaseLabs TH10A Planning Application

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Planning on doing a full rig upgrade but want to start with the case and cooling side of things as hardware isn't out yet and looking for a bit of advice please.

Right now I have a 3960X and 3x GTX 680 2GB (need more VRAM!) running for over 2 years now which just seems crazy, how have I gone this long without upgrading!

Will probably get a 5960X or 5930K depending on reviews and three or so GTX 880s again depending on reviews etc not in a massive rush and happy to move current gear into the new case while waiting.

So TH10A is the case I have been admiring for a while now and although I have built a few loops in the past I want to do it "right" this time.

I like the look of the Aqua Computer gear so was thinking of going with a setup from them based around an Aquaero 6 doing one big loop with two D5 pumps in series for flow and redundancy.
I know I could do two separate loops for CPU/Mobo and GPUs with 2x 480s for each and will listen to any arguments for that but I like the idea of everything in together so all rads surface area is being used no matter what loads are happening.
For example, rendering using just CPU or gaming without a lot of multicore CPU use I get the full advantage of 16x120 rad size.

This is what I am looking at right now:

Aqua Computer Aquaero 6 PRO (53145)
Aqua Computer D5 pump motor with USB interface and aquabus x2 (41093)
Aqua Computer aquabus Y-connector 4 pins (53124)

Pretty sure I need this to plug in both the D5 pumps via the aquabus to control on the Aquaero, need some advice on this please, will the Aquaero see two pumps or one?


Aqua Computer Pump adapter for D5 pumps x2 (41094)
Aqua Computer Aqualis base for pump adapters 450ml with nano coating x2 (34045)

Not sure if I should run both D5s the same with the adapter "top" and reservoir or just have one like that and then the 2nd round the back with just a top and no res on it.


Aqua Computer Flow sensor "high flow" G1/4 for aquaero (53068)
Temperature sensor internal/external thread G1/4 for aquaero (53067)

I think I need both those sensors to get flow and water temps into the Aquaero, are they the right ones? Looks like there are a few options.


XSPC RX480 Quad Fan Radiator V3 x 4
Noiseblocker NB-eLoop Fan B12-3 - x16 to start with (1900rpm)

From the reviews this looks like good new top performing rad for low to mid speed fans and the eLoops look like a good match now Scythe GTs are discontinued as I can control them down to 6-800rpm for silence and ramp them up if needed.

Monsoon 16/10mm Free Center Compression Fittings - I like the look of these and will try to use mainly standard fittings if I can get away with the hose bends.

Unfortunately OcUK don't have everything from Aqua Computer listed on the website (41093, 41094, 53124 for anyone looking to add them) so I can't link a full basket with everything in so I provided part numbers to look on the Aqua Computer site, here is some of it for easy clinking:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Aqua Computer Aquaero 6 Pro USB Fan Controller £149.99
4 x XSPC RX480 Quad Fan Radiator V3 £105.95 (£423.80)
1 x Aqua Computer Aqualis Base for Nano Pump Adapter 450ml £43.99
5 x Monsoon 16/10mm (ID 3/8 OD 5/8) Free Center Compression Fitting Six Pack - White £24.95 (£124.75)
16 x Noiseblocker NB-eLoop Fan B12-3 - 120mm (1900rpm) £13.99 (£223.84)
1 x Mayhems Ultra Pure H2O 5Ltr £12.95
3 x XSPC HighFlex Hose 3/8" ID, 5/8" OD, 16/10mm, 2m, Clear £6.49 (£19.47)
Total : £998.81
+ 2x D5 41093 and the tops 41094 ~ £200
+ TH10A with some bits and shipping £500
So ~£1700 ish without any waterblocks and misc fittings

Really just looking for some help with my questions and any advice if this is a good direction to go, should I be looking at other gear, if so what.

Thanks all! :)
 
Well I bought the Aquaero 6 XT as it was 60 quid off this week only!

Going to get the case ordered before the weekend.
 
with a big ass case like this I cant wait to see the build log.

I was also tempted by Aqua Computers stuff but it got so confusing that in the end I went mainly for XSPC.
 
Good thing about this case is it isn't too tall so will still fit under my desk, I did like the look of the big STH10 but it wouldn't fit.

I will do a build log, case is now ordered.

Like you say the Aqua Computer stuff seems a bit confusing, lost in translation a bit from German instructions.

I was hoping someone like Shawy or one of the guys building the 8-Pack systems could help since they are using it all in the Supernova build log.
 
its not just lost in translation but rather bad to start with. I have seen sites where native German speakers are confused!

Like you say the TH10A isnt overkill. Saying that I have pretty much decided that my next case will be a TX10-V with pedestal. hopefully that will be the only PC case I ever need to buy.

hell if I give up commuting I can live in it.
 
Makes me feel better after reading through the English Aquaero manual then :D

TX10 cases are just nuts, and you want a pedestal! Crazy person :p
 
Ploppy2k3 said:
its not just lost in translation but rather bad to start with. I have seen sites where native German speakers are confused!

Like you say the TH10A isnt overkill. Saying that I have pretty much decided that my next case will be a TX10-V with pedestal. hopefully that will be the only PC case I ever need to buy.

hell if I give up commuting I can live in it.
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For a single build, that will be pretty overkill. I have a TX10-D w/extended top and pedestal (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18601401) and it is more than enough for 2 builds easily. Thermal ambient limits will hit you sooner than more rad space will help.
 
vsg28 said:
For a single build, that will be pretty overkill. I have a TX10-D w/extended top and pedestal (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18601401) and it is more than enough for 2 builds easily. Thermal ambient limits will hit you sooner than more rad space will help.
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Great build!

Just been reading about your fan problems with the Aquaero and wondered if you could reassure me on it.

I now have the Aquaero 6 XT, not sure how new of a build version it is, was from OcUK this week only so may have been sitting around a while.

I want to run all the Noiseblocker eLoop fans off it and was planning to buy some 3 pin distribution boards like this:

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Those plugged into the fan headers on the Aquaero, will there be problems with all the tacho signals or do I just need the signal from one fan and then as the voltage is split between them all the Aquaero just gives more or less until the desired rpm is met?

What about if I went with the Noiseblocker NB-eLoop Fan B12-PS - 120mm PWM (1500rpm)
 and 4 Pin splitters, same situation or problems with the tacho and pwm signals now?

Just some help on how it works and the best solution would be good.

Thank you!
 
The ModMyToyz PCB has the same problem as the NZXT grid. You can still control the fans just fine, but setting up a custom rpm curve will be impossible without either breaking the trace on the PCB or cutting off the tach wires on all but one input. This way the Aquaero knows the true RPM from one fan (which is the same for all the fans hooked up) and the voltage is split accordingly.

PWM is much better, allows a lot more control and also much slower RPMs before shutdown. I only use the Swiftech 8 way PWM splitter (Cooler Master sells a rebrand that may be cheaper) with rad fans. I can't tell you for sure Noiseblocker got it right with their PWM implementation but they got everything else spot on so far.
 
Thanks for the reply, with PWM 4 pins are the splitters meant to send the signal from each fan to the Aquaero then without any cutting or breaking of trace?

If I am reading it right is that the issue with the Corsairs you are using, it is meant to combine the data from every fan but it doesn't work?
 
Any good splitter, be it 3 pin for voltage control or 4 pin PWM, has the RPM sensor such that it is a direct 1 input to 1 output. The aforementioned Swiftech splitter marks Channel 1 as the RPM sensor channel for example. Some designs for some reason do it wrong.

The issue with the PWM implementation on the Corsair SP120s is that the time between the On/Off positions (PWM is essentially a series of On and Off) is not standard to the Intel specs. It leads to a non zero residual and that means requiring a higher pull to get around that. The older AQ6 units have 100 ohm resistors that were too much for this (but just fine for any standard PWM device like a DDC PWM pump or even the Intel stock cooler). Newer ones have 47 ohm resistors that can handle this as well now. Another non standard implementation is with the Laing D5 PWM - it doesn't allow PWM control past a certain RPM above or below it's limits. A D5 Vario provides more control than that!
 
Lol I may have gotten the PWM explanation slightly off. Glad it helped out though, I look forward to seeing the build now.
 
I got it, was just curious if all the PWM signals synced up with multiple fans on one splitter.

Was thinking the PWM signal came from the fan but obviously it comes from the controller to tell the fan how fast to spin and that was the issue with the resistor not allowing a strong enough signal to the fans.

I will start a build thread when the case arrives.
 
1 x MAGNUM TH10A
(Case Color: Black 3-5 business days for processing, Form Factor: XL-ATX, Orientation: Standard, Left Door: XXL Window CLEAR (30.00), Right Door: Solid, Top Cover: Standard Height Ventilated, Power and Reset Switch: Standard Power/Reset Switches with Sleeved Cables , I/O Panel: USB 3.0/HD Audio (30.00), PCI Backplate: Hex Mesh, Flex-Bay Configuration: Solid Bay Covers, Upgrade Reservoir Mounting Plate? (XL-ATX ONLY): Two Single Mounts (12.00), Included HDD Cage Type: Standard 120 x 25mm fan (MAC-101), Add a Flex-Bay HDD Cage (MAC-102)? No Thanks , Add a Standard HDD Cage (MAC-101) ? No Thanks)

Also got an extra anti vibration mount for an optical drive and the Aquaero mount with shims, although I see your one now has different brackets.
 
The original Aquaero side mounts were not compatible with the flexbays, it was too thick. Shoggy sent me replacements that worked great.

XXL window on the TH10A is great!
 
^JP^ said:
Pretty sure I need this to plug in both the D5 pumps via the aquabus to control on the Aquaero, need some advice on this please, will the Aquaero see two pumps or one?
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You will see both pumps :)

I have 2 D5's controlled by my Aquaero

1 via USB (aquaero)

1 via aqua bus.(mps)




There is a great guide here, also plenty of people to help set it up the way you want to.
 
Thanks Neil, I forgot about my opening post questions :D

I worked out with the two aqua computer D5s with aquabus I can plug them in with the Y adapter on Aquabus High connection but first need to connect one with USB only to the motherboard and assign it a different ID for the Aquaero to see them as different pumps.

I will check out that thread though, looks like there is lots of good info!
 
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