NVIDIA reports financial results for Q2 fiscal 2015.

[Marine-RX179]

Nice ninja edit, but you and I both know that the 770 was not a new launch just a re-release of a 14 month old card with a clock bump and a new name, if your going to complain about that then you also have to complain about the R280X and R280 both launching with the same ram as the GTX780, 5 months and 10 months later respectively.

I was referring the tendency/history of the releases as a whole since the very beginning, whereas you seem to be referring to GTX780 vs 290 specifically.

Yes we know the GTX770 was a rebrand higher clocked GTX680, but the point was that with the 7970 already with 3GB and launched nearly a year prior to GTX770's release, the GTX770 SHOULD really had been launch with 4GB of vram, considering it was suppose to be the direct competition to the 7970. I don't see how your example of the 280/280x is relevant, when they are not competiting with the GTX780 and target a different price range/market.

 

[triss]

Didnt the 770 launch with 2gb and 4gb versions?

 

[Marine-RX179]

Not quite sure what that has to do with anything I posted, or even this thread for that matter but ho hum.

er that would be none then, as opposed to Nvidia, oh that would be two then, Titan and Titan black.

Sorry it was not directed at you at all, but it was just I made that stem from your comment.

As for the vram, as I have already mention I've already seem some people mentioning they are (starting to) struggle with 3GB for 2560 res...and I think a few thats ago someone who already have a GTX780Ti saying thinking of upgrading to 4K, and considering selling the Ti and getting a pair of GTX780 6GB- had the GTX780Ti came with 6GB, he could have just grab another to SLI rather than going backward and getting a pair of GTX780 3GB...

 

[Marine-RX179]

Didnt the 770 launch with 2gb and 4gb versions?

4GB version was offered by manufacturers, and pushed the price point up to nearly £400. The point is that when Nvidia launched the GTX770 at £330 to £350 vs 7970 3GB at £299 at the time, it should have came with 4GB instead of 2GB vram by natively (especially considering that it had a small bus size and the GK104 was cheaper to make), considering the point in time that it was launched.

Even now, the price premium of the 4GB version of the GTX770 is pushing its price into the price territory of the 290...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-208-MS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1750
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-030-IN&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1750
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-117-GI&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1750
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-335-AS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1750

 

[whyscotty]

Didnt the 770 launch with 2gb and 4gb versions?

It did

 

[Geeman1979]

Yup!

I owned the Gigabyte Windforce 4GB version and a good card it was.

 

[Silent_Scone]

 

[triss]

It did

Spoiler

TY Scotty i thought it did but my mind forgets some stuff,
Looks like the goal posts have been moved now and its a price point argument :

 

[Gregster]

The bottom line is we need both AMD and nVidia to be doing well and competing hard for our money. Price/performance is subjective and down to the buyers choice of what he wants to spend.

It would be great to see a third player.

 

[whyscotty]

[/SPOILER]
TY Scotty i thought it did but my mind forgets some stuff,
Looks like the goal posts have been moved now and its a price point argument :

No probs.

Always changes with the wind

 

[tommybhoy]

Nvidia are miserable with vram unless you pay up for the Nvidia vram premium tax.

The bottom line is we need both AMD and nVidia to be doing well and competing hard for our money. Price/performance is subjective and down to the buyers choice of what he wants to spend.

It would be great to see a third player.

+1

 

[Marine-RX179]

[/SPOILER]
TY Scotty i thought it did but my mind forgets some stuff,
Looks like the goal posts have been moved now and its a price point argument :

It has not been moved...points remain the "Nvidia" GTX770 was launched with 2GB at £330-£350. People that want 4GB vram they have to drop down more cash for extra vram version from manufacturers (similar to how the EVGA GTX570 2.5GB was). Saying GTX770 has "4GB" is like saying 290X has "8GB", just because Sapphire released an expensive 8GB version for it.


"My opinion" is quite simple and as stated...I'd rather see more vram on our graphic cards than more profit on Nvidia. If anyone disagree or are happy with how Nvidia charging for more but still only offering "just enough" amount of vram (lesser than its competitor) leading to people have to dropping AA level/upgrade sooner than later (i.e. upgrading monitor after cards already own the cards), then fine it's their opinions, we can agree to disagree, but don't try to tell me how right they are and how wrong I am. Ironally, the idea of offering "just enough" amount of vram conflicts with the very idea and benefit of "grabbing another card to go SLI" on a later date for extending the life-cycle...how many times people were discouraged from and advised not to go SLI, because they had a GTX570 1.25GB or GTX560Ti 1GB?

If people take my above opinion as "an AMD user is having a go at Nvidia", then so be it...

 

[Deceptor]

As an fyi I've not had a game crap out on me or go over the 2GB buffer yet on my sli 670s with the 1440p Swift, though no doubt there will be some that cause it I'm sure. I figured I would be fine but as a reader of these forums you get the impression 2GB is barely enough for 1080 which is absurd

 

[Silent_Scone]

It has not been moved...points remain the "Nvidia" GTX770 was launched with 2GB at £330-£350. People that want 4GB vram they have to drop down more cash for extra vram version from manufacturers (similar to how the EVGA GTX570 2.5GB was). Saying GTX770 has "4GB" is like saying 290X has "8GB", just because Sapphire released an expensive 8GB version for it.


"My opinion" is quite simple and as stated...I'd rather see more vram on our graphic cards than more profit on Nvidia. If anyone disagree or are happy with how Nvidia charging for more but still only offering "just enough" amount of vram (lesser than its competitor) leading to people have to dropping AA level/upgrade sooner than later (i.e. upgrading monitor after cards already own the cards), then fine it's their opinions, we can agree to disagree, but don't try to tell me how right they are and how wrong I am. Ironally, the idea of offering "just enough" amount of vram conflicts with the very idea and benefit of "grabbing another card to go SLI" on a later date for extending the life-cycle...how many times people were discouraged from and advised not to go SLI, because they had a GTX570 1.25GB or GTX560Ti 1GB?

If people take my above opinion as "an AMD user is having a go at Nvidia", then so be it...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21614718&postcount=16

Who'd have thought you'd be preaching your own sarcasm

It's not like saying the same thing at all. Nvidia have been offering a card with 6GB for some time, and the only offering from AMD that has over 4GB is from AIBs. Which is true.

 

[Marine-RX179]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21614718&postcount=16

Who'd have thought you'd be preaching your own sarcasm .

Yea, nice of you to take it out of context.

I think that saying that to highlight the importance of balance between GPU and the amount of vram. And at the moment, Nvidia is not getting that balance right for their cards, nor for the cards of pass gens.

Rather than cherry-picking, why not address the point regarding too little vram being at odds with the SLI feature?
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18615249

Crossfire 6950/6970 2GB would still do ok today, but SLI GTX560Ti 1GB and GTX570 1.25GB? Not so much. This is why I say Nvidia cards generally age worse than their equavalent counter part from AMD, and it is not because of their GPUs being uncapable. 6950/6970 owner if they don't have the money to upgrade to new cards at £150-£300, they'd still have the option to grab a cheap 2nd hand 6950/6970 to crossfire; whereas people with GTX560Ti 1GB or GTX570 1.5GB, their only realistic practical option is to sell the card and somehow try to gather enough money to buy a modern card.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I don't think you can really take that out of context lol

I already have gone over your 'gripe' if you can call it that.
6 month 780 owner in Tri SLI. Had no VRAM issues at 1440p. Think it's time to drop that little number, unless other 780 owners would like to clarify the same experience too for you

 

[James J]

I'm surprised at how strong the figures are due to the rather dodgy tegra k1 launch. I think they've saved it with the shield tablet though as its pricing and power put it in an extremely nice place in the market at the moment. Obviously if they get the 800 series out before AMD's new cards, their next 2 quarters results will also be extremely strong too.

 

[pgi947]

Nvidia are miserable with vram unless you pay up for the Nvidia vram premium tax.



+1

True of previous gens, not so much this time, 4gb 770's are £30-50 more and a similar story with the 780 6gb. I remember the 3gb 580 being something daft like £120 more.

The 8gb 290x is hardly a steal at around £150 more then a 4gb either.

 

[Final8y]

True of previous gens, not so much this time, 4gb 770's are £30-50 more and a similar story with the 780 6gb. I remember the 3gb 580 being something daft like £120 more.

The 8gb 290x is hardly a steal at around £150 more then a 4gb either.

But the 8gb 290x is not an official AMD SKU.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I don't think you can really take that out of context lol

I already have gone over your 'gripe' if you can call it that.
6 month 780 owner in Tri SLI. Had no VRAM issues at 1440p. Think it's time to drop that little number, unless other 780 owners would like to clarify the same experience too for you

Yea because not including the post/circumstance I was responsing to is totally not taking things out of context I am pretty sure my my extreme example of 18GB of vram with a "rock- bottom GPU spec imaginery HD9450" was to make a point about the importance of balance.

As I said I am NOT talking about specifically regarding the GTX780, but about the tendency of being too conservative on the amount of vram for their graphic cards "as a whole".