NVIDIA reports financial results for Q2 fiscal 2015.

[Marine-RX179]

True of previous gens, not so much this time, 4gb 770's are £30-50 more and a similar story with the 780 6gb. I remember the 3gb 580 being something daft like £120 more.

The 8gb 290x is hardly a steal at around £150 more then a 4gb either.

Yea, but don't forget the GTX580 had no competition at all at that price point back then, whereas 770 was competiting against the 7970 3GB on launch, and now is pushing the 290 price terrority; and the 6GB GTX780 is same price/more expensive than the 290x.

 

[bru]

Is any of this relevant to Nvidia's Fiscal statement.

Back on topic then.


Its good to see that despite all the cry's of doom and gloom that the PC discreet GPU gaming market is alive and kicking, with both Nvidia and AMD making the balance sheets look healthy.

 

[scotsdragon]

I don't think you can really take that out of context lol

I already have gone over your 'gripe' if you can call it that.
6 month 780 owner in Tri SLI. Had no VRAM issues at 1440p. Think it's time to drop that little number, unless other 780 owners would like to clarify the same experience too for you

780 lighting owner here and I often use 2.3gb vram min in bf4 at 1080p benq 144hz everything ultra 4xms (thingy) lol

skyrim with a few mods 2.6gb, its the reason im hoping the new cards are good I would have thought 1400p woud have used more vram not less,

 

[Kaapstad]

If I had to pick a two card setup to game at resolutions up to 1600p I would go for a pair of 2gb GTX690s.

They are faster than two 780ti/780/290P/290Xs/Titans

They can be used on air with a mobo like the RIVE

The drivers work well out of the box

No micro stutter

As an all round package the GTX690s are still head and shoulders above the other options and that includes the Titan Zs and 295X2s.

 

[tommybhoy]

True of previous gens, not so much this time, 4gb 770's are £30-50 more and a similar story with the 780 6gb. I remember the 3gb 580 being something daft like £120 more.

The 8gb 290x is hardly a steal at around £150 more then a 4gb either.

Cheapest 4Gb 770 cost £18>cheapest 290+gold ticket worth at least £15=~£33 less than the way way slower more expensive Nvidia vram premium taxed 4Gb 770.

Done a lot better with the 6Gb 780's can't argue with that apart from that the 780's were massively/still overpriced from an fps comparative pov imo.

 

[bru]

Looks like the goal posts have been moved now and its a price point argument :

You called it right there

 

[Marine-RX179]

Is any of this relevant to Nvidia's Fiscal statement.

Back on topic then.


Its good to see that despite all the cry's of doom and gloom that the PC discreet GPU gaming market is alive and kicking, with both Nvidia and AMD making the balance sheets look healthy.

Profit and products prices are tied with one another, and there's nothing wrong with expressing wanting the company to giving something meaningful back to the consumers, even if they have to line theirs and their investors pockets. If I'm "off-topic" because of talking about product prices and graphic cards, then this topic is in the "wrong part of the forums" . I don't think you will get much "on topic" "shareholders and investors discussions" here.


(This following part is not related to your post, but just another discussion area):
Remember Nvidia GeForce GTX Battlebox campaign for 4K gaming?
http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-battlebox
"Each GeForce GTX Battlebox performance powerhouse features GeForce GTX 780 and GTX TITANs GPUs in 2 and 3-Way SLI configurations, supported by Intel i7 CPUs, advanced cooling systems, high-speed DDR3 RAM to assist with overclocking, and the latest high-speed SSDs, which load the action in record time. With the performance afforded by such setups, GeForce GTX Battleboxes are ready for 4K Gaming, the ‘next big thing’ for enthusiast PC gamers."

Titans with 6GB vram may be, but GTX780s with 3GB for 4K? Had people took Nvidia's word for it and bought 3 GTX780 3GB for 4K gaming, they would be find themselve in a very difficult situation...

Like balancing the GPU with the rest of the specs (i.e. vram) is important, they should not take their customers for grunted. Milking is inevitable for both companies, but I just hope they would set some bottomline when it comes to milking. Advertising to people Two-ways/three-ways SLI GTX780 3GB is 4K gaming ready seem a bit irresponsible to me...I mean anyone here recommend 3GB cards for 4K gaming to someone?

 

[bru]

You can twist it and turn it all you like, the original point was too stingy with their ram, which has been proven to be false, it was then mentioned that it would turn over to a price related argument, which it has.


Battle box hmm let me thing for a minute....oh yes that was back in 01.10.2013, which was before the R9 290 was available meaning that AMD top card at that time also had 3GB, so just what is your point.

 

[pgi947]

Cheapest 4Gb 770 cost £18>cheapest 290+gold ticket worth at least £15=~£33 less than the way way slower more expensive Nvidia vram premium taxed 4Gb 770.

Done a lot better with the 6Gb 780's can't argue with that apart from that the 780's were massively/still overpriced from an fps comparative pov imo.

I won't argue with that, the 770 price point regardless of vram on offer has always been terrible, it's a £200 card at the most. It has stiff competition either side of its current price bracket, 280/x cheaper and just as fast, 290 in the same price range and is faster still. It's an odd price too as they have plenty of range between the ~£160 760 & ~£350 780 to take it down to that lower price point.

 

[Marine-RX179]

You can twist it and turn it all you like, the original point was too stingy with their ram, which has been proven to be false, it was then mentioned that it would turn over to a price related argument, which it has.


Battle box hmm let me thing for a minute....oh yes that was back in 01.10.2013, which was before the R9 290 was available meaning that AMD top card at that time also had 3GB, so just what is your point.

They ARE stingy with their vram, the GTX770 2GB was launched at nearly whole year after the 7970 3GB. It was £30-£50 more expensive than the 7970 3GB, but had less 1GB less vram (nevermind the smaller bus-size and lower memory bandwidth as well). Nvidia didn't launch GTX770 with 4GB, they launched it with 2GB, and left the 4GB version up to the partners (while natural reason in a price premium).

As for the Battlebox, what does 290 not yet launched at that point in time got anything to do with Nvidia advertising their 3GB GTX780s for 4K gaming, when it's not really up for it? It's not about AMD's 290 series having 4GB of vram or more vram than Nvidia, but about whether or not 3GB vram sufficient for 4K gaming.

Fine we could say the GX780 was launched quite a while ago, so it is not really anticipating the coming of 4K gaming...but what's GTX780Ti's excuse? We have very real example of members here who already have a GTX780Ti, but now planning on going 4K for gaming, and he is stuck with the situation where they have to consider selling their Ti to get a pair of GTX780 6GB instead. Things like this shoulldn't happen, wouldn't happen had Nvidia offered 6GB like the Titan Black rather than chopping half the vram off...he could have just bought another GTX780Ti to SLI with his existing card...

 

[Silent_Scone]

Yea because not including the post/circumstance I was responsing to is totally not taking things out of context I am pretty sure my my extreme example of 18GB of vram with a "rock- bottom GPU spec imaginery HD9450" was to make a point about the importance of balance.

As I said I am NOT talking about specifically regarding the GTX780, but about the tendency of being too conservative on the amount of vram for their graphic cards "as a whole".

They ARE stingy with their vram, the GTX770 2GB was launched at nearly whole year after the 7970 3GB. It was £30-£50 more expensive than the 7970 3GB, but had less 1GB less vram (nevermind the smaller bus-size and lower memory bandwidth as well). Nvidia didn't launch GTX770 with 4GB, they launched it with 2GB, and left the 4GB version up to the partners (while natural reason in a price premium).

As for the Battlebox, what does 290 not yet launched at that point in time got anything to do with Nvidia advertising their 3GB GTX780s for 4K gaming, when it's not really up for it?

So much woffle. I suppose 4gb is enough for 4K in your opinion? Let's not derail further TBH. Agree to disagree with what people are telling you

 

[bru]

3GB is fine for 4k if your prepared to turn down the settings, if your not prepared than 4GB isn't enough either.

The 770 was launched as either 2 or 4GB the Nvidia slide was posted earlier in this thread, it would be like me saying that the 7850 was launched as a 1GB card just because it was launched as either 1 or 2GB but it suits my argument.

 

[Marine-RX179]

So much woffle. I suppose 4gb is enough for 4K in your opinion? Let's not derail further TBH. Agree to disagree with what people are telling you

I can't say for sure if 4GB would be any "enough" for 4K-gaming, but the extra 1GB vram and bigger bus size would certainly help. But if I was to recommend graphic cards for 4K-gaming today, I would most likely recommend a pair of GTX780 6GB if they can afford; if they can't push the budget that far then may be they'd have to settle for a pair of (2nd hand) 290 4GB.

 

[Geeman1979]

For 4k Gaming 6GB+ is the sensible choice.

 

[Kaapstad]

I can't say for sure if 4GB would be any "enough" for 4K-gaming, but the extra 1GB vram and bigger bus size would certainly help. But if I was to recommend graphic cards for 4K-gaming today, I would most likely recommend a pair of GTX780 6GB if they can afford; if they can't push the budget that far then may be they'd have to settle for a pair of (2nd hand) 290 4GB.

4K two card setup, 3gb is enough as you will be compromising on the settings quite often because of lack of GPU grunt.

4K three card setup, 4gb is enough because you will still be compromising on the settings some of the time.

4K four card setup, 6gb definitely needed, go and enjoy a game of Crysis 3 maxed.

 

[Marine-RX179]

4K two card setup, 3gb is enough as you will be compromising on the settings quite often because of lack of GPU grunt.

4K three card setup, 4gb is enough because you will still be compromising on the settings some of the time.

4K four card setup, 6gb definitely needed, go and enjoy a game of Crysis 3 maxed.

Thanks Kaap for the clarification.

So the only practical option (money wise) for Nvidia without spending more than crazy amount of money (a few Titans) would be three GTX780 6GB (costing around £1,300), and on AMD side would be three 290 4GB (costing around £780-£1,000); and for the very best it would be have to be four GTX780 6GB (at around £1,730)?

 

[pgi947]

780's can't do quad sli only tri

 

[TheRealDeal]

780's can't do quad sli only tri

While this is true, you can get gtx780 quad sli using modded drivers.

http://videocardz.com/45253/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-4-way-sli-possible-by-simple-modification

 

[Geeman1979]

Yeah, thought I'd heard there was a way around it.

 

[Kaapstad]

Thanks Kaap for the clarification.

So the only practical option (money wise) for Nvidia without spending more than crazy amount of money (a few Titans) would be three GTX780 6GB (costing around £1,300), and on AMD side would be three 290 4GB (costing around £780-£1,000); and for the very best it would be have to be four GTX780 6GB (at around £1,730)?

With three cards you are getting hit with the problem from two different directions.

The 6gb cards won't run out of VRAM but would struggle on Crysis 3 and maybe one or two other games maxed (you have to OC 4 Titans).

The 4gb cards will run out of VRAM on slightly more games.

In both situations you are going to have to compromise on the settings.

Interestingly the 4 card scaling for Crysis 3 @4K is near perfect on both AMD and NVidia cards.