By the time the arrest comes of 'knife weilding nutter' they can add a couple more things to their criminal record. GBH with intent. Manslaugher, murder.
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By the time the arrest comes of 'knife weilding nutter' they can add a couple more things to their criminal record. GBH with intent. Manslaugher, murder.
Okay so you want the police to be a reactive force.... Rather than proactive AND reactive?!
I am fairly liberal. But I have friends who regard me as a right winger (mostly due to stuff on the economic side than the social side, to be fair)
OCUK is, generally, very right wing. Remember that when setting your political calibration on the forums.
Now you're discriminating against people with mental illnesses. What about the cold, calculating people who keep their knives concealed until a few seconds before they stab someone?
So the police see someone who matches the description of someone wanted for armed robbery. How do you propose they proceed, since apparently you don't think they should be able to search them?
I agree with this point, but surely it would be better to try and prevent them from being violent in the first place, rather than just being reactive to it.
I don't think it will come as much comfort to little Jimmy's mum when she's told "Sorry Dean stabbed your son, but don't worry, we'll make sure he gets some counselling".
No.
That's how it sounds...
Only upon seeing a knife wielding individual. Should the police get involved - is what you've suggested lol.
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Completely untrue. Even the armed police over here are trained to shoot to disable first. Aiming for the head, as happened in this incident, is never advisable as it's a smaller target and thus more likely to hit a by-stander.
I really can't believe some of the attitudes in this thread. It's sickening to think that some people think that the police officer was justified in killing Brown because he had allegedly stolen some cigar and was high.
To be honest, your points are all pretty close to being straw men. I feel I would be a bit sidetracked down a debating black hole to follow you on this.
I'm not trying to ignore violent criminals. I simply don't buy that the public is best served by over-arching police powers. There is a balance to be struck.
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Check out how many people have from gun shots fired from the police in 2013 and 2014. The number stands at roughly 400 from last year and is likely to be topped this year.
Read the bit you quoted again. What more powers do you think police need?
That's complete rubbish. Shooting to kill/disable is not taken into consideration. Police are trained to shoot at the torso because it's the largest target; unfortunately it also contains a high number of vital organs, which if shot are quite likely to lead to death. Shooting to disable would require aiming for an extremity such as an arm or leg, which is not only a much smaller target, but is likely to be moving around a lot faster and more erratically. Even then if you hit an artery it's easily possible for the person to bleed out before any medical assistance arrives.
Care to point out which people think that?
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I cannot believe how many people are arguing in this thread who have zero clue about the reality of police culture in the states. Want to see the reality? Add the copblock group to your facebook for 2 days and you will see exactly what is happening.
Because a group set up purely to attack the police couldn't possibly have the slightest hint of bias in it
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The police have no automatic right to search your car without reasonable suspicion or a warrant.
I'm discussing what I've seen. So far this video footage. Him aggressively pushing someone out of the way.
Can't say he was robbing the store or pushing the store owner out of the way. Either way this really shouldn't be news. It has nothing to do with what is going on here in the UK.
Did you even read any of my posts? I clearly stated they shoot to hit the middle mass, the torso. Biggest target. Armed cops shoot to kill. If they survive it's a bonus. Remember, shooting someone is a complete last resort.
Completely justified if he robbed the store using force. Assualted a police officer. Tried to go for his gun. Then ran at him when the officer told him to freeze.
They had their "suspicions". I wasn't about to tell them to urinate elsewhere.
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Proportional force has gone out the window, especially if you are black. I have seen guns drawn for speeding, under age drinking, making public record requests..the list goes on. If you are naive enough to think the police in the states don't draw their gun as their first course of action, then you haven't been paying attention.
I've not read through most of this thread so I've no idea if it's already been mentioned, but having just watched a video on ******** of the scene immediately after the shooting, the video inadvertently catches a conversation between 2 men, 1 of which witnessed the shooting. It seems a lot more straight forward after listening to that. The short of it is, he attacked an officer in his vehicle then ran away. He was followed by the officer who shouted at him to stop, but he then turned and ran at the officer and was shot down. That also ties in with the account another police officer gave.
Of course this is just what that person witnessed, or said that they did.
Of course this is just what that person witnessed, or said that they did.
Police in America are pretty much taught to dump their mag if they have to use their gun and just because someone gets shot in an extremity it doesn't mean it was a calculated shot.
As for shooting him based on stealing cigars I've not read the rest of the thread but I've not seen anyone saying that elsewhere, what I have seen is people saying that because he had just committed a robbery he might have been on edge when confronted by police.