LG OLEDs getting cheaper and cheaper

lucid said:
OLED devices are closer to plasma in the way they work. The light source is created directly by light emitted from a substance that glows when excited in a specific way. The substance has a finite life span. It decays with use.
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Thanks, Mel
 
james.miller said:
Not sure what EOL panels have to do with any of it. Panels have to be, you know, on sale, before they can be EOL'd and sold at cost/a loss.

'One man's cheap' etc.
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Because they are usually half price when they go EOL. They go EOL within 12 months of launch as new models are released every year.

Buying a newly launched brand new tv is usually throwing money away IMO as within 12 months it will be substantially cheaper, unless no new models are made (like Kuro when production completely stopped and ZT65/VT65 also when they shut down their factories).

Put it this way I could sell my GT50 now for £100-£200 less than what I paid for it. Had I bought it 6 months earlier I would be selling it for £800 less than what I paid for it.

The best time to buy a tv is when it goes EOL as the savings are huge and the differences between that tv and the newer versions are minimal but the newer version launching within 4 months will be twice the price.

Point being I bought 2 flagship top of the range 50/51" panels for less than £800 brand new with 2 sets of 3D glasses, 5 year warranty, etc.

So I would not exactly call paying £2-3K for a 60" cheap, technology gets cheaper with time, so by the time I upgrade I would want a 60" or bigger for pretty much under £1000 or around what I paid for the current sets.
 
LOL

Panny Flagship 2012 Plasmas still cost a fortune, they are not 1/2 price 24+months later and some models are still £2000+ (dependent on model/size).

Obv the 2013 models will hold price 12+month later as they are the last.

They even cost a lot 2nd hand.
 
I couldn't get over seeing one of these in an all black room. The small text in a movie just appears on the screen like a low lit torch in a black void. Then you see the entire ZT glow in the dark before any small white text from the storyline. Badly grey as well.

These LG sets really have mouth watering blacks. Both sets were calibrated.

Though, I still prefer the ZT bezel seeing them side by side under regular lighting. OLED truly is mouth watering for black levels and contrast ratio.

I still prefer the overall Plasma picture compared to OLED. It's just a shame experiencing OLED now, that any Plasma's black canvas looks awful now. Especially when you see the Voldemort army scene.

Same with Tron Legacy on the LG. The blacks gave the impression some parts were wet with great detail. Such lovely range of blacks on that film from matte, fabric, kevlar to oily looking blacks. It was lovely plus how twinkly/sparkly the film was on it. So lovely. Wish I could experience it again.

Even The Desolation of Smaug. It was so fantastic just taking it in how wonderful it looked. Smaug was quite scary on the LG I found. The detail and contrast was insane.


jh30uk said:
No 1st is mention his TV each post. ;)

Could see the fuss if it was a Z series.
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GT wasn't a flagship model. It was the VT series until the ZT.
 
Reason I said what I said but if I told him his TV was not the high end he would go on about it even more.

Aldo why I said Z series.
 
V F said:
I still prefer the overall Plasma picture compared to OLED. It's just a shame experiencing OLED now, that any Plasma's black canvas looks awful now. Especially when you see the Voldemort army scene.
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That's the thing. For years plasma and lcd were the two most common technologies and plasma came out clearly on top pq wise for a long time. Cue praise about awesome black levels and supreme picture quality year after year. The fact is plasma black levels never got any where near as good as CRT and now aren't as good as oled. We put up with mediocre black levels because there was nothing better that didn't have an elephant sized foot print. However we cut it - the best plasmas and lcd/led screens today are average in many areas. With OLED I'm hoping we get a picture depth as good as we had 20 years ago with CRT!
 
I do hope by the time 3rd and 4th gen OLED hits they'll have sorted the blue phosphor decay and dead pixel problems. It sure will be interesting in the years ahead.

I'll still never get over seeing how small text lights up in an all dark room. It just appears and how immersed you felt.

Trying to imagine owning a perfect black canvas with something between Rec.709 and below 2020 with a contrast ratio of 80,xxx to 90,000:1. As some of the high end Kuro's were in the 82,000:1. Imagine re-watching all your favourite films again on a 10/12bit panel.
 
Is OLED meant to burn in/image retain like plasma? Saw the LG (5EA980W) in a Richer Sounds store and could clearly see a BBC logo (if I recall correctly, it was a logo of some sort) burnt in to the bottom right of the set.

Edit: I should elaborate, it was visible on a white background. The TV itself was showing the shop demo in a loop but whenever any white was displayed over the area in question you could see it burnt in.
 
I said flagship panel. the panel used in the GT50 is the same one used in the VT50 which is the flagship tv when i bought my GT50. iirc there is only very minor differences between the GT50 and the VT50 in fact only 2 differences altogether iirc probably the filter and some stupid dynamic rate or refresh rate (FFD).

in fact the panel used in the GT50 is the same one used in the GT60.

the next panel up from the one in the GT50 is the one used in the VT65 and ZT65.

I only paid £799 though so I can live with having the second best plasma panel panasonic ever made
 
ubern00b said:
Is OLED meant to burn in/image retain like plasma? Saw the LG (5EA980W) in a Richer Sounds store and could clearly see a BBC logo (if I recall correctly, it was a logo of some sort) burnt in to the bottom right of the set.

Edit: I should elaborate, it was visible on a white background. The TV itself was showing the shop demo in a loop but whenever any white was displayed over the area in question you could see it burnt in.
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Yes image burn is a big problem for OLED, worse than plasma.
 
Wonder what the chances are that OLED will suffer the same stigma as Plasma. There's so many forums that as soon as someone mentioned Plasma, nearly everyone was chiming in about burn-in. "Go LCD dude!"
 
I only ever owned one plasma (LG 50PK590) but the image retention was enough to put me off. I was fairly careful too but after an hour or two of gaming the HUD was quite visible while watching a movie after wards. Sure, it was retention and not burn-in and did go away but it was certainly nothing to ignore.
 
Retention can become permanent. No TV ever made has been perfect. But you can find a TV which is perfect for your circumstances.

If you don't like retention buy LCD.

If you want deep blacks then stay away from LCD.

Etc,etc. No TV is perfect
 
I have to say the retention thing is a big issue for me as I use my tv for desktop browsing etc and don't want a permanent start menu on my films. That's the main reason I never went plasma.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Retention can become permanent. No TV ever made has been perfect. But you can find a TV which is perfect for your circumstances.

If you don't like retention buy LCD.

If you want deep blacks then stay away from LCD.

Etc,etc. No TV is perfect
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I never said any TV was perfect :confused: I merely commented on V_F's post where the stigma applied to plasma was well founded and nothing to "poopoo".
 
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