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I heard that too many bacons can be bad for you. I'm still going to nom nom them though. If vaping is harmful, it's clearly not as bad as stinkies so I'm still vaping.
 
nichorob said:
So the report is made up? It seems pretty conclusive to me that it is still harmful to the users and non users in proximity.
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It's a conclusion jumped to in this report with absolutely no viable data to back it up.

In fact, they espouse that it's dangerous while, in the same report, stating that there is no evidence that the things even work to get people off of cigarettes. Perhaps if they actually ASKED the millions of users worldwide and gathered, you know, some ACTUAL data instead of just deciding for themselves what they wanted to accept, they'd get a different result.

If you think the WHO is anything other than a pharmaceutical lobby group, you're deluded.

Notice in the report how they make a big deal about it being dangerous to pregnant women in the vicinity because it can release aerosolised nicotine? That, in fact, is the biggest single point they're able to make. Except it's nonsense... there is no breakdown or reputable scientific data included to show just how much nicotine could be made available, and readily absorbed, by any bystander -- something which is likely minimal when we already know that the actual efficiency of ecigs when it comes to nicotine delivery is relatively low in comparison to cigarettes.

And yet the WHO are happy enough to allow the NHS to recommend (albeit structured) use of "approved" NRT products by pregnant women who can't stop smoking. Is there some kind of difference in the nicotine included in gum, lozenges or quick mist products? Is it a special "medicinal" nicotine that pregnant women making DIRECT use of (and thus taking much more into their system than is in any way feasible via second-hand vapour) can avoid these problems that are all of a sudden so terribly dangerous to society?

No, it isn't.

This report is just more hypocrisy and scaremongering. The WHO report is FAR from objective, and as per usual uses little more than preconception, agenda and cherry-picked data in the hopes of telling the ignorant what to think.

"It puts toxins in the air". What toxins? What levels? What exactly is the comparative background level per toxin, and what is the agreed safe threshold for each? There are toxins in the air all around us. Someone sprays a deodorant or sneezes nearby -- that puts toxins in the air. That's all that their report is saying... but because it's an ecig and not something that's just "normal" nowadays, it's suddenly an issue of immediate danger.

Sorry, but not without the correct data to back that up, it isn't.

You'll likely find that the detection of greater toxin emissions were found from higher voltage device usage. This could, again, be for any number of reasons including burning juice, dry and burning wicks (which a machine doing these tests wouldn't be able to ascertain as happening during use) etc. But, again, the studies being performed are not being done to a degree that understands the devices and their use in any way.

If they were, we'd end up with solid conclusions recommending ongoing advice for users on what may or may not lead to increased toxin generation (yet STILL on a level that renders ENDS much more preferable than cigarettes), and not just a blanket "they contain toxins; ban them".

This entire thing is nothing more than half-truths, outright lies and a blatant attempt at social engineering -- and sadly people will buy it because "it's in the news". That the UK's own Department of Health have already stated that they won't be taking this advice, and will not be banning indoor use should tell you all you need to know.

That they can happily make up statements without corroboration about the dangers of ecigs to non-users, yet continue to prescribe the likes of Chantix to pregnant women is unbelievable. God forbid someone be puffing on a fruit mix aerosol in public, but if people are jumping off of buildings as a direct result of your "approved" failed antidepressant, then that's just the luck of the draw. Still, they quit smoking, didn't they? Result!
 
nichorob said:
So the report is made up? It seems pretty conclusive to me that it is still harmful to the users and non users in proximity.
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WHO said:
It's dangerous but don't ask us to prove it.
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WHO said:
Children can die when stabbed repeatedly in the face with an e-cig
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But hey, tobacco is known to cause many types of cancer and other nasty health problems.
We can prove it, but we won't ban it.
 
deuse said:
They have produced no data to back up there claim so in the eyes of the law it's all hear say.
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There are references in it, not that I can be bothered to read them, basically e-cigs = more dangerous than NRT, less dangerous than smoking.
 
Finally got everything sorted.

Chugging on some Ruthless "Ez Duz It" and it's nice :D

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okay guys I am ready to pull the trigger on a MVP 2.0, an Aspire Nautilus mini and some replacement heads? would that be enough to get me started on the road of vaping other than liquid?. whats is the best replacent coil head to get for the Nautilus 1.6 or 1.8?

Chris.
 
Great start imo. :)

I read the 1.6's are more prone to flooding/gurgling. YMMV.

All you need now is juice. Please dont buy crap juice. :D
 
Thanks V_R 1.8ohms it is!

Now juice will have to be the next question haha. I currently smoke roll ups. kills my chest at times as you could imagine so what would you recommend for the nicotine strength 12/18mg is that even right?

Are there any UK e-liquid sitrs that offer next day delivery. I. am being a little impatient I know but I quite fancy having it all delivered tomorrow. Really do fancy trying some custard!
 
chris74 said:
Thanks V_R 1.8ohms it is!

Now juice will have to be the next question haha. I currently smoke roll ups. kills my chest at times as you could imagine so what would you recommend for the nicotine strength 12/18mg is that even right?

Are there any UK e-liquid sitrs that offer next day delivery. I. am being a little impatient I know but I quite fancy having it all delivered tomorrow. Really do fancy trying some custard!
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I'd start on 18mg, if you want some decent custard you'd need to try and get hold of some Grants Vanilla Custard but they're always out of stock, next best thing (imo) is http://www.digbysjuices.co.uk/product/mums-custard/
 
I vape at 12mg, 18 will have more of a throat hit if thats what your after. Best bet would be to get 10ml of 12 and 10ml's of 18 of the same juice, you'll soon know what you prefer. :)

As for custards, what he said above, GVC, Digby's MC or Mr Rips are all great, my top three custards. Vaping Kings are good too. :)

http://www.digbysjuices.co.uk/
http://www.grantsvanillacustard.com/
http://www.scopesejuice.co.uk/
http://vapingking.co.uk/
http://www.mrslord.co.uk/


....to name a few off the top of my head.

These guys do some good USA juices too. I highly recommend Rip Trippers stuff, everyone should try Nanas Cream and Mr Rips. . :)

http://www.northernvapour.co.uk/e-liquid.html
http://spiritusvapes.com/
 
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PSA: GVC is open for business tomorrow morning at 9am

Out Of Stock Now But,We Shall open for a sale on the day of the 29th/Aug/2014@ 9.00am BST(british summer Time) the stock will sell out by the end of the that day though. Thank you all as always, Grant&Teamcheeky
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http://www.grantsvanillacustard.com/

FYI, if your planning on ordering and haven't got an account yet, set one up now before tomorrow morning. ;)
 
GVC Account created Cheers! may as well hold out for that especially if it is as good as you guys are saying.

I am a massive fan of Blueberries. I eat at least one large pack per day. Has anyone tried that particular flavour?.

I. honestly thought id struggle mostly picking the right equipment but the choice of flavours is mind boggling as is whether they'd be any good. I am really wanting my first vape to be a good one.
 
Pro tip with GVC, dont try at 9am as the site will be so bogged down to the point of unusable. Wait until about 9.30/10.00am, still loads of stock, but the site is so much faster, can even wait til midday if your feeling lucky, dont leave it much longer thogh if you want one of the more popular mixes. (the 50/50's at 6, 12 and 18mg) :)

Scopes Blueberry or the berrylious: http://www.scopesejuice.co.uk/
 
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