Crop Circles

airrunner said:
The 70% all have the same interwoven steams of wheat which are tightly packed together. A man made crop circle does not have this quality, they are only laid flat in one direction. Also the interwoven type has the individual nodes on the wheat popped. These qualify as the 70% and as such warrant further investigation.
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Fair enough.

airrunner said:
Why are you assuming that these patterns are a man-made thing? Nature is made from complex geometery, we learned that through observation of life. All of the significant patterns you see called crop circles are made out of complex geometrical shapes. The geometry was there before we were creating it, all we do is replicate that idea which already existed.
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So do you have any evidence to show that although these patterns exist in nature, that they are also replicated by the movement of water?
 
So do you have any evidence to show that although these patterns exist in nature, that they are also replicated by the movement
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I don't have evidence to support that every crop circle pattern is in nature. As there are so many varying degrees of compexity in the shapes, many things in life are just a different geometrical shape.

But you only need to look at life to see how geometry is in every part of nature. For example look at a fully grown sunflower and see how it's a perfect geometrical shape, it's literally design. I believe the febonacci code can explain these charactistics more in depth.

That's the other challenge, there is no physical evidence to support that there is a connection between water and crop circles. Other than the odd fact that they almost all happen near a water source of some kind. This is also the case with the abundance of crop circles found in the Netherlands, they are all near some kind of a water source.

I really don't know what else is happening other than that. But i do sometimes think that energy of some description could be the root of it, but honestly that's a guess and extremely vague one with no direction.
 
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So where are you getting all these statistics? Have you personally examined every crop circle?

Dismissing my logical answer because "I haven't personally tested every theory" yet then spouting your own far fetched theory with stats that seem to come from thin air is a bit rich.

No, I do not have proof that they aren't created by a non human force, but I take the information available to me from reputable sources and arrive at my own conclusion, that they are man made. I don't see the same level of evidence for the counter argument, I simply see a few of MookJongs "crystal healing woo woo" crowd, and some internet and TV content producers willing to fuel myths, spouting, well... nonsense.

Do you even have some pictures of these woven stems and popcorn grains? If 70% of crop circles have them then there should be loads of pictures.
 
Lol, 70% do not have weaving, very few have weaving and weaving only became popular since 2009ish. And then usually only a small part like the very centre is interweaves, which is easily doable by man.

It is man made and these threads do my head in, so many people have opened their minds so much it fell out. Ridiculous logic, ignoring everything other than what supports their view etc.
 
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Having just Googled it, its just herring bone patterns. Ask anyone who has ever artexed a ceiling or layed brick paveing how hard that is to make :rolleyes:

Once again its another case of "that looks complicated, must be aliens" logic.
 
Jono8 said:
I love this thread. So full of stupid.
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+1

As anyone ever thought that the Aliens would have to be so technically advanced to get here that making pretty patterns in some crops would be just a little bit beneath them.

Think we should lobby NASA and get them to drive the Curiosity rover around in a few circles, that will #### the Aliens up.
 
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Skeeter said:
So where are you getting all these statistics? Have you personally examined every crop circle?
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No i haven't, i have already explained that in the my previous posts.

Skeeter said:
Dismissing my logical answer because "I haven't personally tested every theory" yet then spouting your own far fetched theory with stats that seem to come from thin air is a bit rich.
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Why do you think your original response is logical? A load of old tripe, is an arrogant and quite frankly ignorant response. And again you are defending your belief with out participating in the discussion. You think what i am saying is far fetched, but you have not demonstrated any understanding of what i have said. Neither have you argued why your evidence is so powerful to support your belief.


Skeeter said:
No, I do not have proof that they aren't created by a non human force, but I take the information available to me from reputable sources and arrive at my own conclusion, that they are man made. I don't see the same level of evidence for the counter argument, I simply see a few of MookJongs "crystal healing woo woo" crowd, and some internet and TV content producers willing to fuel myths, spouting, well... nonsense.
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Excellent what is your information from reputable sources? Please don't tell me your watching bravo as well? You need to take the liberty to create a better understanding on subjects yourself. But if you need some direction, start with Colin Andrews. The biggest investigator of crop circles in the uk since the early 1990's who personally investigated thousands of these with his team. Buy one of his books or watch a documentary with his material.

I love your juvenile responses crystal woo woo, like dude what are you on about??


At the end of the day you believe what you want to believe, literally. You can either look at the data found or you can just believe what the blind general public of society want to believe.
 
So "its made by humans, as shown by the videos of them being made by humans" is an illogical answer, while "its made by water flows, or heat, or aliens, because someone who makes money from publishing theory's to people who are seeking justification for their own off the wall views says so" is the logical answer...

Riiiiiiiight.... :rolleyes:

I get the feeling "discussing" with you is rather pointless, as dismissing your theories makes me wrong, yet your only supporting argument seems to be to just dismiss everyone else's argument and accuse them of not "discussing" it.
 
airrunner said:
When someone can prove how trampling wheat can make into a knitted like appearance. And how stamping on wheat can pop the nodes of wheat we could right it off. Until then not one human being can re-create that effect.
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well your premise is flawed... you're not going to get a pattern like that by trampling - you might be forgetting that human beings have hands and can use them to manipulate things.... weaving some crops into a complex pattern is some hoaxers trying to take things to the next level. These groups compete with each other to produce ever more impressive designs.

Yes a small % may not be man made - i.e. simple circles formed by weather etc...

But anything which has actually been designed, laid out... you'd have to be a bit damaged in the head to start dismissing the fact that there are groups of people who go out at night and create these.
 
The term hoaxers is even designed to perpetuate the myth. Its to suggest they are somehow "faking" something that is usually made some other way.

Calling them "crop damaging vandals" would be less interesting :p.

In effect they are nothing more than west country graffiti artists. Actually... you can get some pretty impressive graffiti in some really inaccessible places. Do people think they are done by aliens too?
 
I still simply cannot fathom how people are arguing on a computer forum that crop circles are too complex to be built by man.

Jesus, go and open your computer up and have a look at it. Just look at it. Look at the motherboard, look at the circuitry, comprehend what all that actually does. Look at the size of your smartphone, then think of all the incredible things it allows you to do in the palm of your hand. Does this not amaze and astonish you more than a pattern made in some wheat?

Seriously.. It is called mathematics and science, try to understand it or at least come to terms with the fact that some understand it far better than you before you start yelling it is bloody aliens!
 
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