A non-story fast and slow cars

I'd like to see anyone average even 65 mph over such a length of journey.

Agreed.

Take this for example, the trip meter for the truck in in today.



83,856miles from new, average speed 37mph.

Bear in mind this vehicle goes every night from Stoke on Trent to Felixstowe and back again, which is pretty much flat out there & back and during the day spends the vast majority of it's time on motorways...
 
I've done similar miles in my car Scania, and a lot of it's motorway. I think my average has been ~43mph since new over almost 90K miles.
 
Agreed.

Take this for example, the trip meter for the truck in in today.



83,856miles from new, average speed 37mph.

Bear in mind this vehicle goes every night from Stoke on Trent to Felixstowe and back again, which is pretty much flat out there & back and during the day spends the vast majority of it's time on motorways...

Yeah but you can't make 65 legally so you'll never average it :p
 
Are you looking at buying one or have you misunderstood the thread? if its the latter then it could be a Veyron and an Aygo, the principle would be the same

Based on the below, I’m curious, cost vs performance of the two cars you mention, your Celica can't cost much more to run than a Ibiza, it must be cheap to service, doesn't really go wrong, so the only real world difference is slightly more fuel, but given you do 9 mile drive, this adds up to hardly anything.

In this situation, why would you possibly pick the Ibiza over the Celica?

Clearly you think a cost saving (worth having) can be achieved, otherwise this thread wouldn’t exist.

I have a Celica T-Sport 190BHP she has a Seat Ibiza 1.4 85 or 75BHP something like that.

99% of the time pull into the work car park right behind me.

my car doesn't cost a massive amount to run but her car certainly costs a fair bit less, the performance difference is significant yet the real world travel time is exactly the same.

Its got me thinking about the trade off between performance and enjoying driving.
 
I would say the main cost difference is insurance with it being double that of the Ibiza, in terms of fuel the Celica obviously uses more but not a huge amount more, even so and once again you've missed the point of what I am saying, in my case the savings are debateable and its just an example, fast (Read as quickish in my case) vs slow cars, as per the thread title which doesn't state Celica vs Ibiza
 
Whenever I'm doing a reasonably long drive I always estimate my journey time based a mile per minute (so 60mph average) and it's not usually far wrong.

I have 30 odd couriers out each night. Those who's rounds are 90% towns Avg 24-28 MPH over 200 ish miles. Those who have a large rounds mostly dual carriageways and motorways Avg 50-60mpg. Add in 15 stops of less than 1 min each
 
The most entertaining car I've ever driven on the road was this:



I paid £800 for it with T&T. Was lowered, had twin calipers on the front, a few other tweaks. Weighed about 1000kg. Made about 130bhp and sounded fantastic - still the loudest induction roar I've come across.

It just felt so utterly alive and responded instantly to ever input. It had manual steering, decent brakes, stiff suspension, was rear-wheel drive and it took a licking and kept on ticking. I eventually blew the headgasket after running it hard at 7000rpm for too long but it still kept driving.

I pulled the head off it in the end, after motoring around with it boiling over all the time for a few weeks, and set about repairing it. Skimmed the head, serviced it all, painted it satin black in a shed while it was minus 12, then eventually sold it. It didn't cost me very much, even once I'd fixed it, and it did everything well.

It went on to be a track car, where it overtook the likes of Boxsters and so on with ease.

Anyway, in short, it was just great fun because I didn't care about it and you could drive it on the limit at public speeds and really feel involved. It proved infinitely more entertaining than cars with four times the horsepower, in a lot of cases, or 60-80 times the value. You can only really go so fast anyway and not feel like you're about to get royally screwed. Or kill someone.





















(should have left the bumpers off it)





It's still going today; it's been restored from the ground up and now looks absolutely stunning - it's gloss black now :)
 
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The OP seems to very much miss the point, you don't choose a car with decent performance to get places quicker, you do it because it enhances the driving experience and is just nicer.

I also very much doubt there is a single credible running cost increase of my car over the same car with the least powerful engine in the range. A few quid a year tax and 10% lower fuel economy seems like a fine price to pay for 0-60 in 6 seconds and all the midrange performance I could want.
 
One thing I have found with cheaper small cars, is that they can feel a bit bumpy/ shakey/ rattley at higher speeds, such that I would find the whole journey on a motor way fairly unpleasant , I am talking things like a renault clio or a vaxhall astra (though it has been years since i have driven either and things may have improved). I have a 2002 Volvo v70 estate, it is incredibly slow 0-60, but is spacious inside with comfy seats, and feels stable and pleasant at 80-90.
 
Which is why performance cars are a bit pointless on the road, unless you also do track days etc. It was different 14 years ago, roads where so much emptier.

Imp you have four main options
Eco cheap runner
Luxury sofa on wheels, which is likely to be performance, but it's the comfort and gadgets that you're using.
Something terrible and as such even at 40mph round a country lane you are fighting it and feeling like you are racing the **** out off it.
Your dream car, in which case nothing matters it's your dream car.
 
If you are driving at peak congested times then it's harder to enjoy a performance cars. However, there are still plenty of opportunities to enjoy a drive at less busy times when you are doing something other than driving to work etc. You can often make a drive much more enjoyable by taking a less efficient route that's far less congested.
 
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