'Silly walks' at Buckingham Palace

[Dj_Jestar]

It'll be an A2, all the infantry have A2's they don't take them off us after a tour, I doubt if there are any A1's left. I and my unit never carried ammunition on guard doing ceremonial duties.

Fair play.

 

[dowie]

When people ask if the guns are loaded I'd assume they're asking if there's a round loaded into the chamber, not whether or not it has an empty magazine attached.

If there is a round in the chamber then the rifle (don't call it a gun) is 'made ready'.

Loading is the process of attaching a magazine... the rifle could be loaded for example with a full magazine attached... it would still need to be made ready (you'd need to **** it) and the safety catch pressed in order to fire.

Whether there is a round in the chamber or not depends on whether you've made ready (cocked) the rifle or not and not whether you've loaded a magazine which may or may not contain rounds.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

If there is a round in the chamber then the rifle (don't call it a gun) is 'made ready'.

Loading is the process of attaching a magazine... the rifle could be loaded for example with a full magazine attached... it would still need to be made ready (you'd need to **** it) and the safety catch pressed in order to fire.

Whether there is a round in the chamber or not depends on whether you've made ready (cocked) the rifle or not and not whether you've loaded a magazine which may or may not contain rounds.

Claptrap.

The order to "Load" is given as an instruction to put a round in the chamber.

 

[dowie]

If the magazine is empty, it's not loaded.


In fact strict definition of loaded means there is a round in the chamber.

Nope... perhaps at your shooting club or airsoft or something... But in the British Army whether a round is in the chamber or not is irrelevant - loading is attaching the magazine, making ready is the process of cocking the weapon.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

I was trained by the British Army for my range officer's qualification. You do not posses a loaded weapon until there is a round in the chamber.

 

[dowie]

Whether the L85 he is holding is loaded or not entirely depends upon the BIKINI alert state the military is in. I don't know at which state the Grenadier Guards load their weapons though.

And it's not an "SA80" it is an L85 (probably L85A1 to be specific, all the L85A2 are likely to be in service in warzones). The SA80 is the family of weapons, not a specific weapon. God damn CoD getting it wrong.

I was using the A2 in the UK years ago and it's the A3 that is used on ops these days.

 

[dowie]

I was trained by the British Army for my range officer's qualification. You do not posses a loaded weapon until there is a round in the chamber.

You've clearly never served in the military and you're wrong as far as the army is concerned.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

You've clearly never served in the military and you're wrong as far as the army is concerned.

What does me serving have to do with it? I haven't. A Loaded weapon is a weapon with a round in the chamber.

I'm wrong as far as the military is concerned.. except where I was trained by the military for my RO, which for context was for the ATC (cadets).

 

[dowie]

Because we're talking about the military... namely a soldier with a rifle.

I don't care if you've forgotten what you should have learned in ATC or if your shooting club uses some different terminology. As far as the military is concerned your definition of a loaded weapon is incorrect.

 

[Josh]

Isn't a rifle "made ready" when a round is in the chamber, not loaded?

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Because we're talking about the military... namely a soldier with a rifle.

I don't care if you've forgotten what you should have learned in ATC or if your shooting club uses some different terminology. As far as the military is concerned your definition of a loaded weapon is incorrect.

I've been a dumbass. Just ran through my drills again and you are right. To load is to attach magazine, to make ready is to ****.

e: oh lol. I mean to "penis" the weapon.

 

[tom_e]

Because we're talking about the military... namely a soldier with a rifle.

I don't care if you've forgotten what you should have learned in ATC or if your shooting club uses some different terminology. As far as the military is concerned your definition of a loaded weapon is incorrect.

He's not in a shooting club, he'll be operating as a range officer on MOD ranges as a member of ATC staff so it should be exactly the same orders whether he's served or not is totally irrelevant.

Edit: and there we go they are

 

[Tombo]

A gun is only loaded if there is ammunition inside, an empty magazine without a round chambered is not loaded, dunno why this is hard to understand.

 

[Cosimo]

He's probably doing press ups with a corporal on his back, literally, as we speak.

That would be the private entry exercise....

 

[porushinobu]

That would be the private entry exercise....

ooh touché

 

[Sherpa]

It'll be an A2, all the infantry have A2's they don't take them off us after a tour, I doubt if there are any A1's left. I and my unit never carried ammunition on guard doing ceremonial duties.

There are L85A1's in service anymore. There are some L85A3's now in service, but mostly the A2 version.

A gun is only loaded if there is ammunition inside, an empty magazine without a round chambered is not loaded, dunno why this is hard to understand.

A weapon can be loaded with an empty magazine, the magazine is the object that determines whether or not a magazine fed weapon is loaded.

If the magazine contains rounds then it's still loaded until the operator makes the weapon ready. When the wepaon has a round in the chamber it's "ready".

 

[Sherpa]

Also as smooth as those moves were, he's still a *******.




Be the best!

 

[Muban]

Of course whether he was in posession of a weapon or not, loaded or unloaded is really neither here nor there. He was pratting about whilst on duty (in this case very publicly), so will be punished regardless and rightly so. To top it off, did he really think he would get away with it? Surely not! If so, he's even more stupid than it would first appear.

 

[Josh]

We have A1's, deactivated mind. Only used during pass off.

The recruits use the A2 to learn with.

 

[ttaskmaster]

A couple of fact clear-ups for ye...

Weapon drills:
At the command 'Detail Load', the magazine is inserted into the weapon.
At the command 'Detail Ready', the cocking handle is pulled all the way rearward and released, allowing it to move forward under its own momentum.

During training conditions, the magazine will be completely empty (usually with a penny to hold the follower down and stop the bolt catch from locking the breech open). The weapon is still considered 'Loaded', even without any rounds of any kind present and one reason you remove the magazine during safety checks/clearance drills. This goes for all branches of service.

If you want to go check and try to argue with the official word, copies of the Skill-At-Arms pocketbook and other such manuals are available even to civvies from places like The Rainforest, or even on Army.mod if you have a look.




While the term SA80 does refer to the family of weapons, not everything with an L designation is an SA80.
For example - The L1A1 SLR, the L7A1 GPMG, L2 grenades...
L just designates Land Service. N means Naval Service and FV designates a Fighting Vehicle (tank, APC, SPG, etc).



As mentioned, live ammunition has been issued to Buck's soldiers at times, though it depends on the alert state/threat level/whatever we're using this month. Either way, there WILL be armed personages of some kind around if something unpleasant does happen.


Lastly, the soldier in question was a complete pratt and deserves a smack. There are times to pratt about and times to take your job seriously.