Police spend no time investigating certain crimes

Haggisman said:
I'm curious as to what the financial impact would be if NHS services weren't subsidised by private patients?



I never claimed it would be, however the cost vs efficacy argument is still relevant.

Also, those cancer drugs aren't the only instance of this. (Viagra for example is(or at least was) only available under certain conditions).



See, I find this slightly worrying - you'd prefer them to waste resources giving a false appearance of doing something when they aren't, rather than using those resources to actually do something?
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Viagra's price has shot through the roof over the last few years and coupled with more and more people wanting it, it lead to the point we are at now. When I use to work in pharmacy I was use to giving out 4 boxes per month, now its 1 box instead. Better to get something, rather than nothing though....

Burnsy2023 said:
That's what they do and I agree it's an important service to give, but we are under strength on PCSOs by a fair bit (at my station they had 16 and now have 7) and their workload means they're completely rammed.
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My sister and her partner are both PCSO's in grimsby and yeah, I understand your point there about staff cuts. The public always argues (justifiably) that more police officers should be out on the "beat" instead of behind a desk. Obviously police cuts are daft and I hope they increase spending again during the next government.

My point does stand about there being an importance for the public to feel that when they need the police, they are there to serve them. Fastest way to disenfranchise people is to simply ignore them, especially when its something they pay for.
 
the_chicco said:
Oh another one.

Ever setup and constructed a greenfield datacentre? Worked with high voltage 800kVA 3 phase power? Had a commercial UPS literally blow up not 50ft from where you are working? Had an armed gang go into the side of your workplace and start stealing the equipment? We don't all just sit in an office.

Shove your roll eyes
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Ever had someone point a knife at you and tell you in no uncertain terms that they want to kill you?

Oh and for reference, I have worked in datacentres and having UPSs blow up or getting raided by an armed gang is rare enough that most people haven't experienced it. Ask most officers if they've been in a violent situation where someone actively wanted to cause harm to them and most will be able to tell you a story.
 
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James J said:
My sister and her partner are both PCSO's in grimsby and yeah, I understand your point there about staff cuts. The public always argues (justifiably) that more police officers should be out on the "beat" instead of behind a desk. Obviously police cuts are daft and I hope they increase spending again during the next government.
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The funny thing is that all these cuts mean that police officers are spending much more time doing admin that usually was done by a specialist team of police staff.
 
James J said:
Viagra's price has shot through the roof over the last few years and coupled with more and more people wanting it, it lead to the point we are at now. When I use to work in pharmacy I was use to giving out 4 boxes per month, now its 1 box instead. Better to get something, rather than nothing though....
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NHS prescriptions or private?

I used to work in a pharmacy too (we're going back ~8 years now though!! :p) and we had quite a few people with viagra prescriptions, but they were all private.

NHS doctors can prescribe NHS patients viagra, but the patient has to pay the full price, not the prescription charge.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
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I agree, but if you don't have the resources then as sensible as this is, it's not an option. We're doing more incident firefighting than crime prevention these days.
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I was implying that the first instance would alleviate pressure in the second instance. Stopping crime at low levels will stop the hordes of criminals who make a job out of it.

Lets be honest the police didn't gain their current public viewpoint of being lazy and useless from being good at their jobs and protecting the little guy ;)
I don't have official stats for this but it's something like 5% of the population cause 95 % of the crimes, it's not hard to work out who the bike thief might be if there is a local bike thief.

But then you have victimization, and that's another kettle of fish.
 
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James J said:
Viagra's price has shot through the roof over the last few years and coupled with more and more people wanting it, it lead to the point we are at now. When I use to work in pharmacy I was use to giving out 4 boxes per month, now its 1 box instead. Better to get something, rather than nothing though....
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Ever heard of those Vigara eye drops?

They make you look right hard!:D
 
I'd imagine the other thing that contributes to this is the light sentencing in many cases.

What does burglary get you? 3 months inside? A fine that they can't/wont pay anyway?

Makes more sense (rightly or wrongly) to focus on something that's going to get actual results rather than give someone a slap on the wrist and they're back breaking into someone else's shed the following night.
 
ChroniC said:
I was implying that the first instance would alleviate pressure in the second instance. Stopping crime at low levels will stop the hordes of criminals who make a job out of it.
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I agree, but that's an expensive albeit better way of going about it.
 
My last brush with the law was when I has my motors sunroof smashed in.

I had the bottle that was used.

It took them almost 10 days to send someone round. To be fair the people on the phone were helpful enough taking all the information I had.

When I eventually had a visit to collect the bottle and take a statement, they had the cheek to ask if I had done the damage myself, or had asked someone else to do it.

The end result was no further action taken, and for a couple of days you'd see a special walking down the street in the afternoon.

It's not like I expected much, but I must say the whole police interaction was underwhelming to say the least.
 
jumpy said:
When I eventually had a visit to collect the bottle and take a statement, they had the cheek to ask if I had done the damage myself, or had asked someone else to do it.
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Don't be offended, it's part of the information we need to ask to prove the offence - that being one of consent of the damage.
 
Police caught and prosecuted 6 people for various crimes when I was burgled. :) Imo they do a tough job and most do a good job, despite the vast amount of paperwork/redtape/cuts.
 
jumpy said:
When I eventually had a visit to collect the bottle and take a statement, they had the cheek to ask if I had done the damage myself, or had asked someone else to do it.
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Maybe they hope to catch fraudsters out who are scamming insurance? :p
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Don't be offended, it's part of the information we need to ask to prove the offence - that being one of consent of the damage.
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Yer, I get that. Still, it wasn't exactly put across like that.

Also, considering I'd already stated, with some annoyance, that my insurance top quality 'glass cover' doesn't insure sunroofs etc, and that I'd been fortunate enough to source a part from someone on the LR forums, for a reasonable price... it seemed like a bit of a dim question to ask.
 
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