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Motorcyclists Last Seconds Captured On GoPro
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Both at fault here unfortunately, the mother admits this.
It's hard to judge the distance and speed of something oncoming that has a relatively small frontal area. This has been proven and exhibits itself in many cases, I think it was actually discovered in the animal kingdom first with regards to predators catching prey.
Personally I'd not have been doing this sort of speed here, in fact anything over 10% +2mph of the speed limit is a no-no in my book.
Tragic for all involved. I wish there was a way that motorcyclist can survive collisions like this. Exoskeleton suit, airbag suit, some sort of material technology must exist to improve chances of survival.
It's hard to judge the distance and speed of something oncoming that has a relatively small frontal area. This has been proven and exhibits itself in many cases, I think it was actually discovered in the animal kingdom first with regards to predators catching prey.
Personally I'd not have been doing this sort of speed here, in fact anything over 10% +2mph of the speed limit is a no-no in my book.
Tragic for all involved. I wish there was a way that motorcyclist can survive collisions like this. Exoskeleton suit, airbag suit, some sort of material technology must exist to improve chances of survival.
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Chances are he did, but like a lot of people these days, pulled out anyway thinking "oh they will stop or swerve"
Not that answer I Was expecting!
Yes, the car cutting across him was a big factor in his death, but travelling at 50m/s.... in a place where he should have been doing almost half that...
50m/s is one hell of a distance ~half a football field. In the time it takes a driver to 'look, mirrors, signal, manoeuvre' that could be 2/3/4 seconds?
That's 100m - 200m the biker has travelled. It's unreasonable to blame the driver imo.
clearly not as the car driver admitted liability for careless driving and got banned for 18 months
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The car would not have seen him when he started to make the turn, at 200 meters or more away (the length of 2.5 football fields) he would have seen it as clear.
In that few seconds the bike had traveled over 100 meters, which would have been well within visible distance, 2 seconds later, he hit the car.
Had the biker been going at or near the speed limit for the road, which was 60mph he would have been closer to the junction and easier for all to see.
His mistake was excessive speed, the car drivers mistake was not looking constantly.
At 100mph I can't imagine any amount of technology is going to let a motorcyclist survive a crash like this.
While I agree the driver of the car should have been paying more attention, the bike was doing 100mph, in heavy traffic, overtaking a car over chevrons, at a junction. That was a majorly bad judgement call that attributed enormously to his death.
I can see the car starting to make the turn on crappy Youtube GoPro footage. I should imagine in real life, it would be easier.
Any driver with any sense knows to double check for oncoming traffic before pulling out, that's the biggest danger. You don't just pull out thinking 'ah well, there was nothing coming a couple of seconds ago'.
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I'm not saying the car driver wasn't also at fault, but all the road markings indicate the oncoming junction and associated hazard, the rider should have slowed down and been extra vigilant for just such an event.
The consequences of a collision when on a bike are so much greater than in a car that a rider should be exercising more caution and awareness of the hazards, not blasting through a busy junction at 97mph. As a rider you owe it to yourself.
Would be interesting to get a detailed map... how far the car was away from the other car when the biker overtook it.
Going by the video biker overtook car at ~1.75 seconds. Impacted car at ~6.75.
5 seconds, travelling at ~50m/s. That's ~250m.
I am not surprised the driver didn't see either the bike or the car... atleast not clearly.
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what is annoying is how all bikers get tarred with the same brush, same goes for cyclists. FYI car drivers speed to and some times more then that bike.
for example i was riding a back road on sunday on my bike doing 60 ( the limit) with nothing behind me, to then get over taken when i was going wide round a bend by a Nissan GTR doing well over 100. he was not visable and when i looked back at my camera he was not in view until he was passing at this point i was still unaware and scared the **** out of me.
And the driver could still have pulled out, whether he was going 10, or 500 mph. He openly admitted to not seeing the car behind as well, who i'd hazard a guess wasn't going 100mph considering he'd just been overtaken.
I agree, he was not riding to the current conditions, or the situation of the road.
It just irks me when something like this happens that people automatically jump on the rider for going too fast, when there are clearly more factors in play.
It might seem i'm defending the bike rider until the cows come home, i'm not, both are at fault.
I'd like to see statistics on how many deaths between motorists are a direct cause of speed, and how many are a direct cause of driver incompetence.
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I don't think there are 'a lot' of people who purposely pull out into oncoming traffic.
i would like to know the age of the driver. i would not be surprised with the driving if it was from an 18 - 28 year old because they think they can cut people up and drive like fools
Yes, sitting here thinking about it it's easy to say that's what you should do. Truth is in practice who actually does that everytime? Coming up to a junction, all clear ahead (for some +200m), quick look at road I am pulling into, all clear, let's go.