Motorcyclists Last Seconds Captured On GoPro

@Tonester, saying speed isn't a factor is a ridiculous statement, if the driver had seen the bike and was assuming a speed of 60MPH judging the distance they were away, pulled out and the bike hit the car doing 100MPH, speed doesn't matter right?

The driver pleaded ignorance and stated he didn't see the bike or the car. Speed wasn't a factor in this accident, not paying attention was.

The speed was an unfortunate extra. Your whole argument of if they were doing the speed limit is laughable and not worthy of reply ;):rolleyes:
 
Excluding external factors ... and there are never any of them are there.

Exluding the earth is round, or a stray neutrino actually interacted with his body causing a ooo hhaaa.

Bike in a straight line under power is stable, you can go down 1000^10000 "If`s and butts" same as anything you do in life. Otherwise you might as well be dead by the time your born.

Life is for living. Not farting around playing on "if`s"
 
They are both at fault, the biker was speeding and contributed to their own accident as tragic as it was and the car driver contributed through lack of attention and due care. The reason the car driver was punished and the biker was not, is patently obvious.

The lesson is that Bikers shouldn't speed and car drivers should pay more attention as the consequences can be fatal. Not one or the other.
 
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This whole discussion is missing the point, someone died, it is a terrible tragedy.
The only useful thing might be that other people can learn from it .
 
That's just a stupid argument.

"If he wasn't there then it wouldn't have happened"

Except he was there, at the point in time that the clio driver decided to cross the carriageway without checking.

Yes but he was only there at that point of time because he was breaking the law and speeding!
The motorbike driver is just as guilty as the person who wasn't paying due care and attention.

Luckily no one was in the passenger seat as they would almost certainly be the only TRUE victim in this case imho !!
 
It's for this exact reason that i'm scared of bikes around me. I really do 'Think bike' when I check my mirror, blind spot or look up the road when turning. Can't stand the idea of even a small nudge on my part really hurting or killing someone.

I don't dislike bikers or the speeds some of them do (I would love to ride and I would probably go fast myself if I did ride).
 
Exactly why i have deliberately suppress my interest in bikes to zero, even though i love driving fast. I would buy the fastest bike available, i would ride it like this, and i would likely die like this. Its not the bikers fault, which just goes to prove how ridiculously unsafe these things are.

I'll stick to cars which are pretty much as fast as bikes, faster round corners than bikes, and which i can drive without the ludicrous lack of safety. Had i crashed my SL55 into that Clio at that same speed i would have almost certainly survived.
 
They are both at fault, the biker was speeding and contributed to their own accident as tragic as it was and the car driver contributed through lack of attention and due care. The reason the car driver was punished and the biker was not, is patently obvious.

The lesson is that Bikers shouldn't speed and car drivers should pay more attention as the consequences can be fatal. Not one or the other.

Somebody with sense, finally!
 
The driver should have known that there was an oncoming bike, however he did not know that the biker was going 37mph over the speed limit.
The driver could have looked up, seen the bike and thought 'loads of room' without realising how quickly the bike was going.

Has the driver got some blame? I would say probably 25%, but here the punishment is that the driver has to live knowing he was involved in killing someone.

I do not hate motorbikes, but at 97mph and one handed, with no impact protection, the biker was riding like a complete tit and paid the ultimate price.
 
Exluding the earth is round, or a stray neutrino actually interacted with his body causing a ooo hhaaa.

Bike in a straight line under power is stable, you can go down 1000^10000 "If`s and butts" same as anything you do in life. Otherwise you might as well be dead by the time your born.

Life is for living. Not farting around playing on "if`s"

Excluding hazards, potholes god knows what else. Life is for living yes but there is a differences between differing levels of risk. Both the drivers took a risk and were at fault - one paid the ultimate price and the other a significant one that will never leave them.
 
It's for this exact reason that i'm scared of bikes around me. I really do 'Think bike' when I check my mirror, blind spot or look up the road when turning. Can't stand the idea of even a small nudge on my part really hurting or killing someone.

I don't dislike bikers or the speeds some of them do (I would love to ride and I would probably go fast myself if I did ride).

Whenever i'm on the road (everyday, drive for a living) I make special exceptions for bikes, junctions, roundabouts etc. If i see a bikes indicator on i actually ignore it, that being if he's turning left i assume he's left the thing on by accident unless he's clearly slowing down ;)

One of the same reasons i never use my horns if someone has jumped a junction, ran out infront etc. What do people do when they hear a loud noise? They stop and look, not something you want happening halfway across a road! :D (air horns are also ******* loud!)
 
Putting fault and blame to one side, the biker clearly had little regard for his own safety here by riding one handed on a motorcycle at 100mph on a single carriageway approaching a junction.

The car driver should have seen him, but honestly, riding like that is simply insane.
 
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I came in expecting to see lots of retarded comments, I wasn't disappointed.

Whoever is stupid enough to be criticising the rider for taking his hand off the bars for 3 seconds to say thanks I can safely say does not a ride a bike.

Both were at fault, car more so in my opinion.
 
I dont suppose anybody knows what (If any) injuries the Driver sustained??

(I would have thought a 100MPH bike would nearly cut a Clio in half!)
 
Unfortunately both rider and driver made errors at the same point in time. Had either of them altered or changed what they did at that moment in time it may have had a different outcome.

Without doubt the driver didn't look well enough and ensure the road was clear, for whatever reason didn't look properly on the day and will have to live with the consequences. I suspect those actions will be with him for a lifetime. He also pleaded guilty
“Benjamin Austin, the driver of the vehicle that struck David Holmes, ultimately pleaded guilty to causing a death by careless driving. He was subsequently ordered to perform 130 hours of unpaid work. His driver’s license was also suspended for 18 months.”

That said, if that was riders the normal riding style I'm surprised he's lasted as long as he did. It’s one thing saying the driver didn’t look properly, but it's also about giving yourself and other road users chance to see and react to you.
100mph on the approach to junction and then into it, is almost like having a death wish. How you can watch that video and not think that his speed was not a contributing factor is beyond me. You're not only gambling with your life but the lives other road users when it goes badly wrong at those sorts of speeds. Approaching a junction at that speed, It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that even if he had seen him, he may not have appreciated just how quickly he was going.

Would he have died had he been doing the legal limit? Who can say, you can do all the calculations after the event you like. What we do know is that he'd have had more time to react, as would the driver. He might have given himself a chance and enough time and distance to avoid or lessen the impact with the vehicle.

Both are guilty and it’s very sad that the chap lost his life. Fair play to his mother for allowing the footage to be used to encourage discussion and get people thinking and talking about it. Must have been a tough decision.
 
I came in expecting to see lots of retarded comments, I wasn't disappointed.

Whoever is stupid enough to be criticising the rider for taking his hand off the bars for 3 seconds to say thanks I can safely say does not a ride a bike.

However, in that 3 secs the bike at that speed would have covered a distance of 134 metres ...
 
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