Motorcyclists Last Seconds Captured On GoPro

There are certain times/roads where speeding is ok but on this road to be doing that speed at a busy enough time was suicide especially approaching a junction.

The car driver should have reacted better but if the biker was going slower he would have had a lot more time to react and might be alive today.

I speed a lot but i like to think i do it safely where i'm not putting lives in danger.
 
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Why is the UK's ethos 'learn to a test passing standard and then instantly regress'? Quite a common and worrying phrase I hear is 'you only need wing mirrors for the test'. It's bizarre to me. I like to think I've become a better driver since passing my test, improving my roadcraft, not getting lazy and worse.
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Aye if it were for a driver checking their mirrors or even doing a shoulder check or simply not driving because they were clearly no longer capable due to age, I wouldn't have to make a stupid old man noise every time I get up and it feels like somone is stabbing me in the spine.
 
lucarocks92 said:
There are certain times/roads where speeding is ok but on this road to be doing that speed at a busy enough time was suicide especially approaching a junction.

The car driver should have reacted better but if the biker was going slower he would have had a lot more time to react and might be alive today.

I speed a lot but i like to think i do it safely where i'm not putting lives in danger.
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If he had abs he would have hit slower without it odds are he'd have locked up and slid into the car and died anyway.

Even at the speed limit.

The car shouldn't have been there it should have taken the extra few seconds to wait
 
lucarocks92 said:
I speed a lot but i like to think i do it safely where i'm not putting lives in danger.
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This is the crux of it though. He's a rider of 22 years. I wonder how many times he's riden that rode (perhaps at speeds faster than he was on that fatal day) and has had nothing come of it.

There's certain roads I drive daily that I sometimes force myself to have a doubletake. I'll say to myself "you're going round this bend at x speed because you know the layout, what exactly would you do if there was a cyclist come into vision right now?" and then I slow down and keep going slow for the next month or two before asking myself the question again in 3 or 4 months.

Complacency is a trait of humans unfortunately. Most people rarely see a motorcyclist on the road, it makes you complacent to the risk of potentially killing a rider. Ask yourselves questions when driving and see if it makes any changes.
 
Given that she's cutting the junction quite a lot if she'd have continued along the ghost island till the right point he'd have been past her or at least so close she would have noticed
 
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This is the crux of it though. He's a rider of 22 years. I wonder how many times he's riden that rode (perhaps at speeds faster than he was on that fatal day) and has had nothing come of it.

There's certain roads I drive daily that I sometimes force myself to have a doubletake. I'll say to myself "you're going round this bend at x speed because you know the layout, what exactly would you do if there was a cyclist come into vision right now?" and then I slow down and keep going slow for the next month or two before asking myself the question again in 3 or 4 months.

Complacency is a trait of humans unfortunately. Most people rarely see a motorcyclist on the road, it makes you complacent to the risk of potentially killing a rider. Ask yourselves questions when driving and see if it makes any changes.
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Complacency and an over-estimation of their abilities. My friend was on a ride out with a bunch who didn't know the roads they were riding and my friend started slowing for a particular bend he knew tightened very quickly, only to be hammered past by two fellas who over-coooked it and drifted into the oncoming lane and slammed head first into an oncoming car. Both of them survived, but were pretty badly beat up. Another guy who was on the ride out that day an witnessed the accident got off his bike and was giving it the "much to dangerous, I'm selling my bike" routine. He was killed earlier this year when he was going too fast and hit a car.
 
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This is the crux of it though. He's a rider of 22 years. I wonder how many times he's riden that rode (perhaps at speeds faster than he was on that fatal day) and has had nothing come of it.

There's certain roads I drive daily that I sometimes force myself to have a doubletake. I'll say to myself "you're going round this bend at x speed because you know the layout, what exactly would you do if there was a cyclist come into vision right now?" and then I slow down and keep going slow for the next month or two before asking myself the question again in 3 or 4 months.

Complacency is a trait of humans unfortunately. Most people rarely see a motorcyclist on the road, it makes you complacent to the risk of potentially killing a rider. Ask yourselves questions when driving and see if it makes any changes.
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Ye i understand where your coming from, i do ask myself that question quite a lot. Tonight i was picking my dad up and i was speeding through the back roads that wasn't really the problem as i was generally doing the 80 km/h that the limit was but i was carrying that speed into the corners as well where u can not see what is around the corner and have no idea what is there.

On a road like that though where the motorbike driver died i would not even dare to that speed in day light and with a lot of traffic as well.
 
Being involved in a life changing (but thankfully not life taking) RTA nearly nine months ago has made me so much more wary when I'm on my pedal cycle, in situations very different to how I ended up in the General for 10 days.

It was such a "freak" accident, I've never experienced that type of situation in ~35 years of cycling on the roads. "Weather warning" 23/12/13, predicted heavy rain and wind as the day progresses, early morning it is raining with a breeze, but no that bad. Left for work on my racer from east side of city, doing ~20mph as I approach the blind sweeping bend on the east side of Northam Bridge. Get round corner to find a dustbin lorry stationary ~5 metres in front of me, collecting rubbish...

Wake up ~20mins or so later with paramedic over me. Now I have permanent titanium plates holding my lower nose and upper jaw in place, with screws in my "good" hand, many chipped teeth and a couple "missing in action."

Now I feel so damn vulnerable riding my racer and my mind is going overdrive on paranoid anticipation of what other vehicles are doing around me. I'm strongly considering a hydraulic disc "cross bike" for far better wet weather braking, a day does not go by when I don't think that if I had been on my hydraulic disc brake mountain bike that morning, I would have scrubbed so much more speed off and consequently, I would not still wake up every morning feeling like I did 10 rounds with Mike Tyson last night.
 
Sounds painful UT! This is the one reason why I use my road bike for fair weather rides only. I do the 6.5mile commute on my MTB. Are you from Southampton? you mention the General and Northam bridge and made me curious.

I still do not understand all those in the tread that can't grasp the car driver simply didn't look, based on her statement, and that is why she received the punishment she did. One thing about the speed, I do myself think the rider made very poor judgement doing that kind of speed with all the hazards presented to him however the same thing happens to me on my bicycle quite frequently but this'll be due to drivers being impatient and potentially being held up by me for 2 or so seconds but then actually realising I'm not a slow cyclist and I'm heading towards them at 20mph! Impatience from road users has a lot to answer for these days.

I'm also concluding that the governments speed kills campaign has worked well however from posts in this thread it is showing many just think as soon as speed is involved that which ever vehicle is speeding is the more responsible, which isn't the case, as the courts also saw in this instance.
 
Why would you do that kind of speed near a junction? Even in a car, I slow down massively cos I have no clue what the driver at a junction may do.
 
I know this junction very well as its just a couple of miles from my house and is the exit for the golf course I used to belong to. Its a pretty fast road and one of the main commuter coming into Norwich and is extremely busy all day long. The thing that surprised me was that the accident was caused by a car pulling off this road and not onto it. You can sit and wait for what seems endless minutes waiting for a gap to come onto the road and thats where I usually see the close calls.

I'm also a Firefighter and see this sort of thing far too regularly unfortunately. I used to ride a motorbike too but it got so that most rides I would have a close shave or i'd see a car/van driver just not paying attention (reading a newspaper/map,texting,fiddling with something on the passenger seat etc etc). After one close call too many I said to the wife i'm selling the bike while i'm still in one piece and very thankful for that.
 
One less moronic speeding motorcyclist on the road.

The car driver should never have been done as that bike would have been very difficult to judge at that speed.

Just can't have sympathy for an idiot driving that fast on a busy public road. My feelings would be the same for a speeding car driver.
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
One less moronic speeding motorcyclist on the road.

The car driver should never have been done as that bike would have been very difficult to judge at that speed.

Just can't have sympathy for an idiot driving that fast on a busy public road. My feelings would be the same for a speeding car driver.
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I don't think you're being fair at all. It's not that one sided at all. I'm worried that you cannot see this is a 50/50 fault.
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
One less moronic speeding motorcyclist on the road.

The car driver should never have been done as that bike would have been very difficult to judge at that speed.

Just can't have sympathy for an idiot driving that fast on a busy public road. My feelings would be the same for a speeding car driver.
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very constructive.. go away .
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
One less moronic speeding motorcyclist on the road.

The car driver should never have been done as that bike would have been very difficult to judge at that speed.

Just can't have sympathy for an idiot driving that fast on a busy public road. My feelings would be the same for a speeding car driver.
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You need to read what happened and what she admitted to, the speed had nothing to do with the cause of the accident. She didn't see the biker or the car it over took, she wasn't paying attention and didn't look and caused an accident.
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
One less moronic speeding motorcyclist on the road.

The car driver should never have been done as that bike would have been very difficult to judge at that speed.

Just can't have sympathy for an idiot driving that fast on a busy public road. My feelings would be the same for a speeding car driver.
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Don't agree that motorcyclist got what was coming to him but do agree that it would have been almost impossible to judge the motorcyclists speed. At point of the driver starting his manoeuvre the bike would have been half a mile away. He was on top of the driver in a split second and the driver was committed.

Astounded at those defending the motorcyclist in any way whatsover; regardless of whether the driver made a misjudgement or not, it was the motorcyclist who put them both in that awful predicament.

Likewise re. feelings if it was a driver doing the same.
 
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