No she didn't have time, even if he was doing the correct speed, she didn't have time so that's rubbish. You are massively overestimating it. It wasn't close to 4 seconds different. It's roughly 1.3 seconds, which as I said would move the Clio roughly 2meters forward. It's 3.7m long car, so still not even close to making the turn safely.
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No she didn't have time, even if he was doing the correct speed, she didn't have time so that's rubbish. You are massively overestimating it. It wasn't close to 4 seconds different. It's roughly 1.3 seconds, which as I said would move the Clio roughly 2meters forward. It's 3.7m long car, so still not even close to making the turn safely.
In fairness I think this is the case, given the admission of guilt to Death by Dangerous Driving and subsequent conviction, having only received community service and a driving ban I think reflects the fact that the bike was deemed to be partially culpable too.
Lets not forget people often go to prison for such a conviction.
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Possibly, but we don't know what other circumstances would have ensued. At 60mph the reaction time is still significantly slower than you'd expect.
IT's clear that the rider wasn't experienced and didn't have good road craft.
I am not saying that she made a "Safe" turn. it would have been a bit tight at the best of times (and therefore careless)
However.
that extra 2 seconds (or 1.3 if you like) would have been sufficient for him to maintain his line and go past the rear of the car rather than panic and turn into it (He was almost on the side road at the point of collision! that swerve alone probably lost him most of the vehicle length in clearance terms IYSWIM))
The bit about speed/time is relevant because people make their Go/No-Go judgements on the basis of estimates of how fast other vehicles are moving.
If somebody is travelling a lot faster than it is reasonable to expect other people to appreciate then one is likely to end up having this sort of thing happen.
(It applies to pedal cyclists too!)
It has plenty to do with '2 wheels'. Motorcyclists are far more vulnerable than motorists in the event of an accident. Also, due to the small size of the vehicle, they are considerably more difficult to see. Common sense would suggest that a motorcyclist should be more sensible and more cautious than the driver of a motorcar - their lives depend on it. Time and again this is proven to not be the case.
Asking motorcar drivers to be more aware, to 'Think Bike' is all well and good, but until motorcyclists start acting sensibly, until they show some regard for their own safety, they will keep dying on our roads in large numbers. This motorcyclist did himself no favours. We could debate 'what if' scenarios all day, but ultimately he made no attempt to mitigate the risk that other drivers pose to him. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Had he been driving at the speed limit, liability would have been clear. Either the motorcyclist's speed was largely responsible for the crash and driving at 60MPH would have saved his life, or the motorist wasn't paying due care and attention and would have got a much harsher sentence for 'Death by Dangerous Driving'.
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Swerving a bike at even 60mph is very difficult.
It was death by careless driving. Not quite the same thing.
No it wouldn't, he would have stoved in well before the end of the car.
Just utter nonsense, everything you said.
This is a great post but unfortunately you have completely failed to understand what and more to the point who, the quoted post I made was directed at. My post was in response to this;
I even quoted Midlife Crisis, and my point being that a bike doesn't do 100mph on its own, its entirely the responsibility of the rider to monitor their speed. Aside from that misgiving though you start by saying its got everything to do with the "2 wheels" then go on to reinforce the point that its the riders responsibility to behave in accordance to the law.
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Pulling over into a junction whilst looking at your phone, changing the radio station is not sensible..... Another car driver in a bubble listening to radio 2 or shouting at the kids. Why the bikers speed is being brought into this argument is irrelevant. Plenty have died at 60mph along with plenty at 40mph.
Sad for both parties. Accidents will happen unless you want to be in Jackass.
RIP Fella. Many bikers have said if they are going to go, go this way. Sad but true.
Sad for both parties. Accidents will happen unless you want to be in Jackass.
RIP Fella. Many bikers have said if they are going to go, go this way. Sad but true.
Pulling over into a junction whilst looking at your phone, changing the radio station is not sensible..... Another car driver in a bubble listening to radio 2 or shouting at the kids. Why the bikers speed is being brought into this argument is irrelevant. Plenty have died at 60mph along with plenty at 40mph.
Sad for both parties. Accidents will happen unless you want to be in Jackass.
RIP Fella. Many bikers have said if they are going to go, go this way. Sad but true.
Sad for both parties. Accidents will happen unless you want to be in Jackass.
RIP Fella. Many bikers have said if they are going to go, go this way. Sad but true.
the bike wasnt that far from the car when the car decided to very slowly pull across infront of him, the car driver either didnt look or didnt see him, the speed of the bike just made the outcome worse for the biker.
1. car driver caused the crash
2. bikers speed reduced his chance of surviving it.
1. car driver caused the crash
2. bikers speed reduced his chance of surviving it.
You cant absolve the rider from responsibly when he was breaking the speed limit by at least 30mph. If he had lived and the car driver died, its highly likely that he would have been prosecuted for the same charge.
Unfortunately driving or riding like a spong like that on a road like that with other roads joining simply puts your life in the hands of other road users, whether they're driving or riding badly or not. Giving people less time to react on a regular basis by going so fast is like playing Russian roulette with an extra live round. Almost everyone speeds, it's just safer to speed in some places than others and seeing this video has certainly made me think.
RIP.
RIP.
I am a biker. When I saw this, I felt sorry for the car driver the most! Although legally at fault, I'm willing to bet a high percentage of the drivers in the UK would not have seen him and caused a similar accident; myself included, and I really try and pay attention for bikers whilst in a car and still miss them at times!
- He's doing a ton.
- He's on a single carriage A road.
- He's on a notorious stretch of road that is dangerous.
- He overtakes 2-3 cars in quick succession, disregarding all the warning markers on the road, specifically the word "SLOW".
- He can see there is a T junction coming up, never slows down, never lets off the throttle.
It's a sad event without a doubt, regardless of blame. I'd like to think that everyone who has seen this video, bikers or car drivers, will take away a lesson in road safety understanding the consequences and brutality that an accident can cause.
Please be safe on the roads and look out for each other!
- He's doing a ton.
- He's on a single carriage A road.
- He's on a notorious stretch of road that is dangerous.
- He overtakes 2-3 cars in quick succession, disregarding all the warning markers on the road, specifically the word "SLOW".
- He can see there is a T junction coming up, never slows down, never lets off the throttle.
It's a sad event without a doubt, regardless of blame. I'd like to think that everyone who has seen this video, bikers or car drivers, will take away a lesson in road safety understanding the consequences and brutality that an accident can cause.
Please be safe on the roads and look out for each other!
You get idiots on bikes and idiots in cars and almost all the time they get away with their actions but in this case the bike rider paid a too high price for his idiocy and the driver for hers. Simple fact is if he had ridden on that road at just 70 mph then he wouldn't have been at that junction at that time and yes, if she had actually used correct observations she wouldn't have crossed his path. It took 2 acts of retardedness for this accident to happen.
I'm not a perfect biker by any shot but I don't knowingly/intentionally put myself in bad situations. I see plenty of bad summer riders on their weekend sports bikes doing overtakes in places I wouldn't dream of doing overtakes, blind bends or junctions etc, but I also see plenty of car drivers doing similar.
I'm not a perfect biker by any shot but I don't knowingly/intentionally put myself in bad situations. I see plenty of bad summer riders on their weekend sports bikes doing overtakes in places I wouldn't dream of doing overtakes, blind bends or junctions etc, but I also see plenty of car drivers doing similar.
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wow.......
Probably not a popular opinion but the person riding that bike is beyond stupid to approach a junction at those kinds of speeds.
He has completely ignored the junction sign to his left as he overtakes the car. He should have at least slowed down, particularly given it is a staggered junction so there are often cars in the filter lanes waiting to turn.
I am not sure how the driver didn't see the bike. It could be they checked the road ahead a little further back than the turn and thought it was safe to turn. The bike may have been obscured by the windscreen pillar on the car and completely invisible at the moment the driver looked up the road to see if it was safe to turn.
I know I have not seen bikes at junctions for that reason, that is why I always make sure I look twice, as well as dip my head slightly to see what is behind the pillars.
I know the driver should not have turned, but he may have genuinely not seen the bike, and at nearly 100MPH a bike can look like it just appears out of nowhere.
Personally I think the biker was riding like an idiot and paid the ultimate price. A biker should always expect people to turn across him, or pull out in front of him at junctions and so ride in an appropriate manner to mitigate those risks.
I am sorry for the hurt the family of the rider must be feeling, but he really killed himself by not doing the drivers thinking for them, which every biker needs to do to stay safe (IMO), as well as wantonly flaunting even basic common sense by approaching a junction at nearly a ton.
RIP
Probably not a popular opinion but the person riding that bike is beyond stupid to approach a junction at those kinds of speeds.
He has completely ignored the junction sign to his left as he overtakes the car. He should have at least slowed down, particularly given it is a staggered junction so there are often cars in the filter lanes waiting to turn.
I am not sure how the driver didn't see the bike. It could be they checked the road ahead a little further back than the turn and thought it was safe to turn. The bike may have been obscured by the windscreen pillar on the car and completely invisible at the moment the driver looked up the road to see if it was safe to turn.
I know I have not seen bikes at junctions for that reason, that is why I always make sure I look twice, as well as dip my head slightly to see what is behind the pillars.
I know the driver should not have turned, but he may have genuinely not seen the bike, and at nearly 100MPH a bike can look like it just appears out of nowhere.
Personally I think the biker was riding like an idiot and paid the ultimate price. A biker should always expect people to turn across him, or pull out in front of him at junctions and so ride in an appropriate manner to mitigate those risks.
I am sorry for the hurt the family of the rider must be feeling, but he really killed himself by not doing the drivers thinking for them, which every biker needs to do to stay safe (IMO), as well as wantonly flaunting even basic common sense by approaching a junction at nearly a ton.
RIP
Too be honest at some point in the future, they'll just ban vehicles that aren't safe enough.
We are slowly heading towards self driven cars and the laws will be changed to reflect the corporate interest (you know it will), so frankly every crash is justification for the inevitable demise of the motorbike.
We are slowly heading towards self driven cars and the laws will be changed to reflect the corporate interest (you know it will), so frankly every crash is justification for the inevitable demise of the motorbike.
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Amen.